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Geckoman



Joined: 07 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:04 pm    Post subject: Anti-English Spectrum Makes International News Reply with quote

The racist xenophobic anti-native English teacher group, Anti-English Spectrum (AES), is starting to get international attention.

The news wire, Canwest News Service, wrote a story on AES and that article has appeared in newspapers across Canada including the Canadian nationwide newspaper, the National Post, and The Vancouver Sun, of Vancouver, British Columbia.

National Post:

Korean Group Accuses Canadian Teachers of Molestation, Drugs
http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=2310206

The Vancouver Sun:

Korean group accuses Canadian teachers of molesting children, doing drugs
http://www.vancouversun.com/health/Korean+group+accuses+Canadian+teachers+molesting+children+doing+drugs/2310706/story.html

The Gazette:

Korean group accuses Canadian teachers of molesting children, doing drugs
http://www.montrealgazette.com/health/Korean+group+accuses+Canadian+teachers+molesting+children+doing+drugs/2310706/story.html

Kelowna:

Foreign English teachers targeted in smear campaign
http://www.kelowna.com/2009/12/07/foreign-english-teachers-targeted-in-smear-campaign/

Korean group accuses Canadian teachers of molesting children, doing drugs.
http://www.kelowna.com/2009/12/07/korean-group-accuses-canadian-teachers-of-molesting-children-doing-drugs/

Way the go Canada!

I encourage everyone to contact other news agencies and suggest that they cover this story. When you do, show them the National Post one, as often a news agency will not cover a story until they see another news agency covering that story, and then they don't want to miss out and so will cover it. And the National Post is a nationwide paper.

Also, I encourage everyone to contact Korean news agencies and suggest that they cover the story of Anti-English Spectrum (AES) being picked up by the foreign press. The fact that the foreign press is covering AES is newsworthy. And by the Korean press covering that, more Koreans will know about how AES is being covered by the foreign press, which they need to know about. They need to know how the racist hate group AES is damaging their country's reputation.

Cool


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tefain



Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Location: Not too far out there

PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice, even if it gives them more attention than they deserve.
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mayorgc



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AES: We can't get laid, so you shouldn't too!
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antoniothegreat



Joined: 28 Aug 2005
Location: Yangpyeong

PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hopefully this is the beginning of something good. for years koreans have treated NETs as trash. Hopefully, those same NETs have gone home and worked their way up the career ladder, and are now in a position to let people know about "sparkling korea."
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Old Gil



Joined: 26 Sep 2009
Location: Got out! olleh!

PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mayorgc wrote:
AES: We can't get laid, so you shouldn't too!


That about sums it up.
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beercanman



Joined: 16 May 2009

PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robert Brydon, a former Port Moody, B.C., resident who is married to a Korean and has taught in the country since 2005, said he's been stunned by the rhetoric coming from the Anti-English Spectrum Group that targets the 2,000 foreign English teachers in the country.
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I think that number needs some fixing, but otherwise maybe attention on these scumbags will help you guys a little bit?
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bigwilly999



Joined: 01 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

glad this is getting some press in Canada. These people are crazy and need to be stopped.
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Tiberious aka Sparkles



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

beercanman wrote:
Robert Brydon, a former Port Moody, B.C., resident who is married to a Korean and has taught in the country since 2005, said he's been stunned by the rhetoric coming from the Anti-English Spectrum Group that targets the 2,000 foreign English teachers in the country.
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I think that number needs some fixing, but otherwise maybe attention on these scumbags will help you guys a little bit?


The National Post just pulled a Korea Times. Shoddy journalism at its finest. It's good to get the word out, but when that word is as terribly researched as the group spouting unverified claims, you have yourself a stalemate.

The entire piece reads like a rumor rag.
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote:

The National Post just pulled a Korea Times. Shoddy journalism at its finest. It's good to get the word out, but when that word is as terribly researched as the group spouting unverified claims, you have yourself a stalemate.

The entire piece reads like a rumor rag.


i agree it needed to be better researched.
*Maybe mention some important background info, e.g. the actual number of foreign crimes as reported by Korean police official statistics is 5 times less than that of Koreans
* Increasing incidence of Korean police ignoring crimes committed against foreigners
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Mithrae



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That article was very poorly written. It was like something you'd read in the Korea Herald. I wish the author had taken the time to deal with the issue properly. It was really a missed opportunity. Hopefully another paper will pick up the story and do a much better job.

Still, that's the fourth article on Korean racism in major Western newspapers in the last month. The New York Times, International Herald Tribune, and Financial Times also did reports on Korean racism. The word is getting out there.

The more we write to Western newspapers the more stories will appear.
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this article will probably do more harm than good.

Quote:
"I think a lot of Canadians do come to Korea and don't have any idea about the level of influence this group has in Korea," Mr. Brydon, 33, said in a phone interview.

And there isn't much the teachers can do about it: The claims aren't being challenged by the Korean government.

In fact, the Korean government recently imposed drug testing and criminal-record checks of foreign English teachers, including those who have lived in Korea for years.


The National Post is a right-wing, law-and-order paper, basically a tabloid in broadsheet form. A lot of their readers will probably look at that and say to themselves "Hmm, drug-testing and criminal record checks for teachers? Sounds like a good idea to me."

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The male founder of Anti-English Spectrum said the Korean women at the party were being degraded and decided to take action, promising to have "illegal foreign language teachers" kicked out of the country, he said.


Again, the Post likely has a strong contingent of readers who are generally anti-immigration. So, assuming they have any consistency to their viewpoint at all, they're likely to think "Well, I don't want illegal immigrants here, so why the hell should Koreans put up with them over there?"

And yeah, I suppose there might be a few inconsistent ones, ie. the guys who say "Heck, we're WHITE!! We should be able to go over there and do whatever we want!! Screw their crummy laws!! But if they come over here and try the same crap, we'll kick 'em out on their ass!" In other words, outright, mouth-breathing racists. Not exactly the kind of people you want on your side.
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tomwaits



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for posting that---
hot off the presses also---Dec7

I'm thinking OK there is a group of nutbars out there. but is there a point here--do they actually have any influence or power?

And a quote from one of these Naver people should be included. It's really just a phone interview with someone in Seoul alleging this. (But I lived in Korea so I know it's true.) Crying or Very sad


IOH one more thing. Where does the HIV stuff come from? I get the drug allegations since there were people arrested in the past---even the sexual things---but HIV? Has there been a flurry of deported teachers or is it just a way to say "those evil dirty foreigners?"
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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IOH one more thing. Where does the HIV stuff come from? I get the drug allegations since there were people arrested in the past---even the sexual things---but HIV? Has there been a flurry of deported teachers or is it just a way to say "those evil dirty foreigners?"


You know the joke about the drunk who loses his keys by the bushes one night, but looks for them on the sidewalk because the light's better there? I think that might be like what's happening with this HIV thing. The government figures that they gotta make it look like they're getting tough on miscreant foreigners, and an HIV test just seems like a vaguely appropriate thing to toss into the mix, regardless of how much of an issue HIV really is.

Though I will say one thing in partial defense of Korea's policy. Granted, as has been pointed out, HIV does not spread by casual contact. However, if someone does contract HIV, it's gonna be a pretty significant burden on the health-care infrastructure, much more so than the flu or even most STDs. So, yeah, there is a certain brute logic to the policy.

And yes, they're not testing the adjosshis who come back from the golf-and-sex tours of the Phillipines. But, given that a government can't deny entry to its own citizens, it's not really clear what the point of such testing would be. I'm not defending this policy, because for the most part I think it's illiberal and is basically just a lotta razzmatazz to appease the tabloid readership. But I wouldn't say it's completely illogical.
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The National Post just pulled a Korea Times. Shoddy journalism at its finest. It's good to get the word out, but when that word is as terribly researched as the group spouting unverified claims, you have yourself a stalemate.

The entire piece reads like a rumor rag.


Indeed!

Actually it reads more like national enquirer than anything else.

This also gives more voice to AES than anything else. Good lord what has journalism sunk to?

Also...before you go and sing kumbaya around the human rights campfire people....look up whatt he National Post is...as mentioned it is a right wing law and order tupe of paper. It is ranked quite poorly as far as news organisations go. Is this really the vehicle on which you want to hitch your outrage wagon with this AES ting?

Quote:
The more we write to Western newspapers the more stories will appear.


That may be true but not for the right reasons and often not in the proper frame or perspective...but hey as long as its out there its what counts right?
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Smee



Joined: 24 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, lazy reporting typical of what you find when you report on Korea from overseas. I've outlined some objections in my post, but to summarize:
* There aren't 2,000 foreign English teachers here
* The Anti-Foreign Crime task force isn't out to get NSETs
* The "new" visa regulations aren't new for teachers who have come here in the last couple years
* It's not clear ATEK made the death threat
* They talked to one teacher (probably the guy who gave them the story in the first place), an ATEK guy, and referenced two other articles. So basically nobody anyone has heard of.
* It doesn't say what AES actually does and what its influence actually is
I'll say that I was contacted this morning, while I was asleep, by another outlet from North America regarding AES, so the NP's article got the word out there. Not sure if they'll get back to me, but I gave them some people worth talking to. A good reporter will get the story right, so let's hope that happens.
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