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Big_Bird
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caniff
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Leslie Cheswyck
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Paji eh Wong
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| That's awesome. I wish Canadian politicians would do that. So much more honest. |
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chris_J2
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Tiger Beer
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The funny part of the article I read online was:
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| Opponents counter that it will cause pain to key sectors in both nations � agriculture in South Korea and automobiles in the United States. |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_skorea_us_free_trade
The auto industry in the U.S. is falling apart, and Koreans as a nation could benefit immensily financially from it. But, okay, alright, you'd hate to have to risk the fact that Koreans addicted to fresh Korean kimchi suddenly might decide on some very mediocre overly-processed nasty American kimchi that all those American farmers will probably quickly change operations to take advantage of this amazing Korean agricultural market they'd get to participate in. |
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Gopher
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| Add Bolivia and Mexico to the list of national legislatures who have descended into fist fights while in session. I also want to say Thailand. But I remain uncertain. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Add Bolivia and Mexico to the list of national legislatures who have descended into fist fights while in session. I also want to say Thailand. But I remain uncertain. |
And not to make this into another America-bashing thread, but...
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On May 22, 1856, Brooks beat Senator Charles Sumner with his Gutta-percha wood walking cane in the Senate chamber because of a speech Sumner had made three days earlier, criticizing President Franklin Pierce and Southerners who sympathized with the pro-slavery violence in Kansas ("Bleeding Kansas"). In particular, Sumner lambasted Brooks' kinsman, Senator Andrew Butler, who was not in attendance when the speech was read, describing slavery as a harlot, comparing Butler with Don Quixote for embracing it, and mocking Butler for a physical handicap. Senator Stephen Douglas of Illinois, who was also a subject of abuse during the speech, suggested to a colleague while Sumner was orating that "this damn fool [Sumner] is going to get himself shot by some other damn fool." (Jordan et al., The Americans)
J.L. Magee's famous political cartoon of the attack on Charles SumnerAt first intending to challenge Sumner to a duel, Brooks consulted with fellow South Carolina Rep. Laurence M. Keitt on dueling etiquette. Keitt instructed him that dueling was for gentlemen of equal social standing, and suggested that Sumner occupied a lower social status comparable to a drunkard due to the supposedly coarse language he had used during his speech. Brooks thus decided to attack Sumner with a cane.
Two days after the speech, on the afternoon of May 22, Brooks confronted Sumner as he sat writing at his desk in the almost empty Senate chamber. Brooks was accompanied by congressman Laurence M. Keitt, also of South Carolina, and Henry A. Edmundson of Virginia. Brooks said, "Mr. Sumner, I have read your speech twice over carefully. It is a libel on South Carolina, and Mr. Butler, who is a relative of mine." As Sumner began to stand up, Brooks began beating Sumner on the head with his thick gutta-percha cane with a gold head. Sumner was trapped under the heavy desk (which was bolted to the floor), but Brooks continued to bash Sumner until he ripped the desk from the floor. By this time, Sumner was blinded by his own blood, and he staggered up the aisle and collapsed, lapsing into unconsciousness. Brooks continued to beat Sumner until he broke his cane, then quietly left the chamber. Several other senators attempted to help Sumner, but were blocked by Keitt who was holding a pistol and shouting "Let them be!"
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Like I say, not singling out any country here. In my own hometown the mayor and another alderman got into a fistfight over whether or not prostitution should be allowed in the city. Around 1915 or so. They actually went out onto the street and dukd it out, though, unlike Sumner, I dont think anyone suffered brain injury.
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samcheokguy
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| well the issues being discussed by mssrs. brooks and sumner led to a million americans killing each other shortly afterward's. |
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Troll_Bait
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Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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ManintheMiddle
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Paji wished:
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| That's awesome. I wish Canadian politicians would do that. So much more honest. |
A lot of adjectives come to mind but "awesome" isn't one of them. I think "pathetic" might closer to the mark. You should be relieved this sort of thing doesn't happen in Canada or the West in general as it ought to be perceived as quite embarrassing. While it sometimes happens in Taipei, only the Koreans have taken it to a new (low) level.
When acquaintances of mine contemplate going to Korea to teach, I like to send them video clips of incidents like this one so they can think twice. Not only is there no decorum but it's indicative a spoiled boy mentality nurtured in the male-dominated home.
Tiger Beer imagined:
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| But, okay, alright, you'd hate to have to risk the fact that Koreans addicted to fresh Korean kimchi suddenly might decide on some very mediocre overly-processed nasty American kimchi |
No, what the Koreans are afraid of risking is a reasonably priced, superior quality alternative to the beef they sell, the canned seafood they sell, and the crap fruits they sell, among others.
Comparing isolated incidents in the 19th century with recurrent incidents in the 21st century is hardly fair. But go ahead and be apologists for the status quo in Korea. I bet the Japanese just sneer at these antics, as well they should. |
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tomato
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Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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The news article starts with the minority members outside the assembly room.
How did they get excluded from the assembly room in the first place?
Did the majority members somehow manage to push them out and get back in the assembly room quickly enough to lock the door? |
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moosehead
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| ManintheMiddle wrote: |
Not only is there no decorum but it's indicative a spoiled boy mentality nurtured in the male-dominated home.
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I was saying the exact same thing the other day -
and we wonder why the students are the way they are 
it makes one wonder how the Ks ever managed to establish a democracy and why they even bother since as soon as they disagree with the govt they all throw hissy fits
Americans might be imperialists and war mongers but at least they (we) act their (our) age |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| ManintheMiddle wrote: |
Paji wished:
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| That's awesome. I wish Canadian politicians would do that. So much more honest. |
A lot of adjectives come to mind but "awesome" isn't one of them. I think "pathetic" might closer to the mark.
As it happens "pathetic" was exactly the word used...only ironically (given your last comment) it was in reference to a recent JAPANESE government.
You should be relieved this sort of thing doesn't happen in Canada or the West in general as it ought to be perceived as quite embarrassing. While it sometimes happens in Taipei, only the Koreans have taken it to a new (low) level.
When acquaintances of mine contemplate going to Korea to teach, I like to send them video clips of incidents like this one so they can think twice. Not only is there no decorum but it's indicative a spoiled boy mentality nurtured in the male-dominated home.
Tiger Beer imagined:
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| But, okay, alright, you'd hate to have to risk the fact that Koreans addicted to fresh Korean kimchi suddenly might decide on some very mediocre overly-processed nasty American kimchi |
No, what the Koreans are afraid of risking is a reasonably priced, superior quality alternative to the beef they sell, the canned seafood they sell, and the crap fruits they sell, among others.
Comparing isolated incidents in the 19th century with recurrent incidents in the 21st century is hardly fair. But go ahead and be apologists for the status quo in Korea. I bet the Japanese just sneer at these antics, as well they should. |
As I mentioned above, the Japanese don't have much room for sneering. Google "Tanaka fights with subordinates" |
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newteacher
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Add Bolivia and Mexico to the list of national legislatures who have descended into fist fights while in session. I also want to say Thailand. But I remain uncertain. |
I seem to remember someone getting punched in the Czech sessions a year or two ago as well. |
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