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Which uni is the best to work for?

 
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The Hammer



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 5:57 pm    Post subject: Which uni is the best to work for? Reply with quote

Which university in Seoul is the best to work for? Why?

Which university has the least hours? Most vacation?
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Mr. Pink



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 7:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Which uni is the best to work for? Reply with quote

The Hammer wrote:

Which university has the least hours? Most vacation?


Does this requirement make a university the best?

I think you should rephrase your question like this:

1) Which university is best for a serious teacher?
2) Which university is best for a lazy ass teacher who loves vacations?
3) Which university offers the best pay/conditions?

Others can feel free to add more options.

When you pick something more specific perhaps I can help you out a bit better. Cool
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adventureman



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am curious about this too...Its seems like more and more uni's in Korea, especially the one's advertised on Dave's, are headed in the direcion of cutting back on vacation time and making their English instructors work at in-house hogwons in between semesters (albeit with extra pay)...What was once three or four months of paid vacation a year is now 8 to 10 weeks or even less, it seems...Are the national or government controlled universities still more likely to give this extended vacation time or are all universities in Korea pretty much headed this direction? This is only a theory, but perhaps the next step amounst the universities, to cut back costs, will be to offer contracts forcing their instructors work over the breaks WITHOUT overtime pay....No I definitely don't believe vacation time is all one should base their job preferences on, but at the same time this is also a little worrying becasue I was considering a university job someday but personally value my free time over making more money....
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Academic Pay
Pohang University of Science and Technology has the highest annual salaries at around 67 million won ($52,000). The universities that topped the list after Pohang were Yeungnam University (62.7 million won), Sungkyunkwan University (61.7 million won), Korea University (59.5 million won), Hannam University (58.3 million won) and Hoseo University (56.4 million won). The lowest-ranking school paid an average annual salary of 28 million won. The annual salary of first-year professors ranged from 17 million won at Cheju National University to 43 million won at Sungkyunkwan University.

"The average annual salary of Seoul National University professors is only 37.5 million won," Mr. Sul said. "This is 71st among the 82 universities analyzed and among the lowest at public universities."
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200109/23/200109232313052859900090409041.html

Average Monthly Salary of Korean Professors
According to the 2001 College Education Advancement Index' which the Korean Council for University Education (KCUE) announced on the 13th, full-time professors' average monthly wage (before taxation) last April was 4,914,000 won, which is 12.2 percent higher than the previous year�s 4,379,000 won. Also, deputy professors, assistant professors, and full-time lecturers had similar increases in their salaries.
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2002021400798

How Many Foreign Professors Receive High Salaries? 100?
Beginning with the fall semester, 100 foreign professors will be lecturing at Korean universities, the Ministry of Education and Human Resources Development said Sunday. "Considering that the annual paycheck of a Korean professor at national universities is 50 million won, it may come as a shock that foreign professors will earn $100,000," the ministry said. "But we believe that is the average amount U.S. universities pay their professors."
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200203/18/200203180150270249900090409041.html

How many foreign professors earn less than 50 million won annually?
Nearly all foreign professors earn less than 50 million won annually (all foreign professors minus a very select, short-term 100?).

Foreign Professors
Foreign professors do most of the heavy lifting in terms of course loads, devoting themselves almost exclusively to teaching. Nevertheless, they tend to be treated as hired hands, without academic standing, and lacking the possibility of career advancement or tenure. They must submit to yearly contracts (compensated at a rate only 60 percent of their Korean peers) while walled off from the permanent Korean faculty who benefit from travel, research funding, sabbaticals, etc. Moreover, when hundreds of Korean scholars enjoy such perks at American and other foreign universities, something is obviously amiss.

According to the Samsung Group's chairman, Lee Kun-hee, to succeed globally, Korea must forgo the thought that Korea and being Korean is superior, and foreign specialists must be treated with respect.
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200206/14/200206142349223599900090109011.html

Selected Seoul Area Universities
Ewha Womans' University
Hanyang University
Hong Ik University
Kookmin University
Korea University
Kyung Hee University
Sejong University
Seoul National University
Seoul Women's University
Sogang University
Sookmyung Women's University
Soong Sil University
Sungkyunkwan University
Yonsei University

Universities Form Rigid Hierarchy
The pecking order is dominated by Seoul National University. If a student can manage to enter this school (and it is not an easy feat) he or she can assume that almost any career path imaginable is open to him or her. In a nation that traditionally holds university teachers in high regard, SNU professors are granted an almost saintly status. SNU is a focal point for the ambitions and dreams of countless young Koreans -- and their parents, of course. A recent bestseller is tellingly titled "Three Secret Ways to Enter SNU." There is nothing particularly secret in the author's advice. He merely suggests some ways to study more efficiently.

SNU is followed by a small group of leading private Seoul schools. This group includes Korea University, Yonsei University, Ewha Womans' University and Pohang University of Science and Technology (the only major school located outside the capital).
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/opinion/200309/kt2003090116094711410.htm
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Rand Al Thor



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is anyone surprised that Real Reality has posted this. It is the same crap that he posts everytime someone brings up teaching at universities.

Hey there! why don't you write something instead of cutting and pasting from the same articles all the time. Contribute something orginal if you are capable of it.
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TECO



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pink.

Don't be a goof.
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Mr. Pink



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Location: China

PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TECO wrote:
Pink.

Don't be a goof.


Do people still use the word "goof"? Cool

Someone has to keep the OP honest about what exactly he is asking.

I guess I could start doing a RR type thing, but I would rather find out what the OP is looking for, THEN post some information.

Oh and there is a thread already about National/Private universities and the differences.

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=13968

That should help a bit.
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Arthur Fonzerelli



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:
Academic Pay
Pohang University of Science and Technology has the highest annual salaries at around 67 million won ($52,000). The universities that topped the list after Pohang were Yeungnam University (62.7 million won), Sungkyunkwan University (61.7 million won), Korea University (59.5 million won), Hannam University (58.3 million won) and Hoseo University (56.4 million won). The lowest-ranking school paid an average annual salary of 28 million won. The annual salary of first-year professors ranged from 17 million won at Cheju National University to 43 million won at Sungkyunkwan University.

"The average annual salary of Seoul National University professors is only 37.5 million won," Mr. Sul said. "This is 71st among the 82 universities analyzed and among the lowest at public universities."
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200109/23/200109232313052859900090409041.html

Average Monthly Salary of Korean Professors
According to the 2001 College Education Advancement Index' which the Korean Council for University Education (KCUE) announced on the 13th, full-time professors' average monthly wage (before taxation) last April was 4,914,000 won, which is 12.2 percent higher than the previous year�s 4,379,000 won. Also, deputy professors, assistant professors, and full-time lecturers had similar increases in their salaries.
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2002021400798

How Many Foreign Professors Receive High Salaries? 100?
Beginning with the fall semester, 100 foreign professors will be lecturing at Korean universities, the Ministry of Education and Human Resources Development said Sunday. "Considering that the annual paycheck of a Korean professor at national universities is 50 million won, it may come as a shock that foreign professors will earn $100,000," the ministry said. "But we believe that is the average amount U.S. universities pay their professors."
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200203/18/200203180150270249900090409041.html

How many foreign professors earn less than 50 million won annually?
Nearly all foreign professors earn less than 50 million won annually (all foreign professors minus a very select, short-term 100?).

Foreign Professors
Foreign professors do most of the heavy lifting in terms of course loads, devoting themselves almost exclusively to teaching. Nevertheless, they tend to be treated as hired hands, without academic standing, and lacking the possibility of career advancement or tenure. They must submit to yearly contracts (compensated at a rate only 60 percent of their Korean peers) while walled off from the permanent Korean faculty who benefit from travel, research funding, sabbaticals, etc. Moreover, when hundreds of Korean scholars enjoy such perks at American and other foreign universities, something is obviously amiss.

According to the Samsung Group's chairman, Lee Kun-hee, to succeed globally, Korea must forgo the thought that Korea and being Korean is superior, and foreign specialists must be treated with respect.
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200206/14/200206142349223599900090109011.html

Selected Seoul Area Universities
Ewha Womans' University
Hanyang University
Hong Ik University
Kookmin University
Korea University
Kyung Hee University
Sejong University
Seoul National University
Seoul Women's University
Sogang University
Sookmyung Women's University
Soong Sil University
Sungkyunkwan University
Yonsei University

Universities Form Rigid Hierarchy
The pecking order is dominated by Seoul National University. If a student can manage to enter this school (and it is not an easy feat) he or she can assume that almost any career path imaginable is open to him or her. In a nation that traditionally holds university teachers in high regard, SNU professors are granted an almost saintly status. SNU is a focal point for the ambitions and dreams of countless young Koreans -- and their parents, of course. A recent bestseller is tellingly titled "Three Secret Ways to Enter SNU." There is nothing particularly secret in the author's advice. He merely suggests some ways to study more efficiently.

SNU is followed by a small group of leading private Seoul schools. This group includes Korea University, Yonsei University, Ewha Womans' University and Pohang University of Science and Technology (the only major school located outside the capital).
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/opinion/200309/kt2003090116094711410.htm


....and your point is?
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weatherman



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

adventureman wrote:
I am curious about this too...Its seems like more and more uni's in Korea, especially the one's advertised on Dave's, are headed in the direcion of cutting back on vacation time and making their English instructors work at in-house hogwons in between semesters (albeit with extra pay)....


Yeah, right, extra pay my butt.... get the same each and every month, no overtime no extra pay for in-house hogwon work, it is all built into the contract.. that said and I seem bitter, I am not, for the hours are light and thus you look forward to the teaching..
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The Hammer



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2003 1:18 am    Post subject: Re: Which uni is the best to work for? Reply with quote

Mr. Pink wrote:
The Hammer wrote:

Which university has the least hours? Most vacation?


Does this requirement make a university the best?

I think you should rephrase your question like this:

1) Which university is best for a serious teacher?
2) Which university is best for a lazy ass teacher who loves vacations?
3) Which university offers the best pay/conditions?

Others can feel free to add more options.

When you pick something more specific perhaps I can help you out a bit better. Cool


Wow... Great! I should have thought about asking your questions!
If you're not lazy feel free to answer your own questions #1, #2, and #3. In addition, you might want to take a crack at my first question. Which university in Seoul is the best to work for? Why?

-or-

Did you just want to take a shot at me? If so, I offer you my other cheek.

The Hammer Laughing


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The Hammer



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2003 1:36 am    Post subject: Re: Which uni is the best to work for? Reply with quote

Mr. Pink wrote:
The Hammer wrote:

Which university has the least hours? Most vacation?


Does this requirement make a university the best?


No, but all other things being equal it does make a university more or less attractive.
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DarthPaul



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2003 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a Christian University advertising at Daves a couple of months ago.... 23 weeks holiday!!! Groovey!!
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dutchman



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2003 10:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Which uni is the best to work for? Reply with quote

The Hammer wrote:
Which university in Seoul is the best to work for? Why?

Which university has the least hours? Most vacation?


Mine.

*10-12 hours of teaching a week. (+8 hours of office hours, sitting around chatting with coworkers).

*3 days a week schedule.

*Two 15 week semesters (2 weeks taken up by exams, 1 week by festival, 1 week of in and out intro classes)

*No attached hagwon

*Once grades are put in the computer free until the next semester begins.

*Great Supervisor

*Decent pay (but no housing)

*VERY low turnover. 10 foreign teachers. Five have been there for 4 years, two for 3 years. Everyone has renewed their contracts.

All of this at a school no foreigner has ever heard of and Koreans scoff at for being one of the lowest ranked univeristies in Seoul.
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hellofaniceguy



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The BEST and I mean the BEST university to work for is the one where YOU are happy at.
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