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[red_devil]

Belief in the supernatural reflects a failure of the imagination.
- Edward Abbey

Bring it.

Seriously though, let's try to keep it human and respectful. If not i will ask the Mods to delete inflammatory topics. Let's have some good discussions!

Additionally I personally recommend reading these books:

The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark -by Carl Sagan
The GOD Delusion -by Richard Dawkins
A Brief History of Time -by Stephen Hawkings
The Origin of Species -by Charles Darwin
The Selfish Gene -by Richard Dawkins

[jajdude]

You may guess where I stand from the curse of faith thread. If not, check out a Simpsons episode from season 7 -- Bart sells his soul.

[mindmetoo]

A belief in the super natural as an explanation for phenomenon that's observable is a lack of imagination. It's like creationist who claim the eye could not have evolved but without much knowledge of biology one can quite easily deduce the path, a path that's remarkably close to current theory.

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[RACETRAITOR]

How can we define this comparison? Religion meaning belief in all religions, versus atheism meaning belief in no religions? Most religious people limit themselves to only one religion, so they're hardly capable of defending all religions (and probably wouldn't want to either). Basically, a Christian is an Islam-atheist, a Hindu-atheist, a Scientology-atheist, and they would clearly argue that being atheistic toward these religions is good.

How about, to make this more civil, we talk about atheism versus Odinism? Is it better to believe that Odin impaled himself on Yggdrassil, or to not believe?

[GreenlightmeansGO]

Yggdrassil is too hard to pronounce for me to believe in it.

[espoir]

Pure atheism is just a vile and stupid as religious fundamentalism. Neither one allows for any form of compromise and neither one has a shred of absolute (or close enough to absolute) proof to back up their arguments, just pure opinion of subjecture.

[RACETRAITOR]

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[Cornfed]

The problem with many atheists is that they are actually members of a kind of secular religious cult that dates from the eighteenth century that believes that the universe is largely as most of us perceive it, that it runs by simple clockwork mechanisms, that "scientific" knowledge may have a few gaps but is largely complete and that anything mechanistic science cannot currently explain is bullshit. This view was completely dispelled by experimental science early in the last century, yet these whack-job cultists still cling to it.

As to religion, most of the major religions taken at face value are plain nonsense, which makes sense considering that their main purpose is to be used for social control. However, the more esoteric thinkers such as Jesus in the Gospel of Thomas, Terrence McKenna, Aleister Crowley, Buddha etc. seem to be on to something that perhaps science will link up with some day.

[Omkara]

[RACETRAITOR]

Using that definition, there are very few pure atheists. Just as there are very few pure Christians, who follow everything in the Bible. If there are, they're probably on death row for murdering a store clerk for working on the Sabbath or something.

[Rteacher]

"Mindmetoo's" statement implies that adhering to belief in unguided evolution is essentially a function of the imagination.

Of course, the origin of life and of our universe and of natural laws is not observable.

If an unlimited Supreme Person exists, that would explain everything - including consciousness and laws of physics - so the claim that any unguided evolution has been observed and/or completely explained is basically a product of materialistic delusion.

[RACETRAITOR]

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