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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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As was stated above, "everyone has the right to their opinion". We should judge that opinion based on a variety of factors however. That's for each of us to decide.
With any large recruiter, you are going to hear a minority complaining. In some cases, it is a problem on the recruiter's end - in some cases, it is a teacher who just doesn't want to be responsible for not doing the right thing or doing their "homework". Much easier to bitch.
From my own perspective, Footprints is the ONLY recruiter (that I'm aware of) that provides a website that actually helps teachers with lesson plans / materials (I've had many teachers tell me how much that has helped them).
Further, I've spoken individually and in groups to hundreds of Footprints recruited teachers. I've only gotten good reports.
I have no affiliation with them, only the wish to work with people who want to do the best job possible, nothing half ass. Footprints has done that and of the many recruiters in Korea they are the ONLY one who spent their cash on a teacher training seminar. Providing great training for their teachers after they'd been placed.
I could go on. I would in no way hesitate to recommend them. However, do your own homework about what is best for you, locations, rules/regulations, procedures, contracts, stipulations. It is always "caveat emptor".
DD
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Ben Glickman
Joined: 10 Mar 2004 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Canada
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:44 am Post subject: Footprints Recruiting |
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andrew
Joined: 30 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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zipperhead2
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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I used em', wound up at a crappy hagwon. Just another story............ |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: Footprints |
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I used them last year, & wasn't impressed. They also have a policy of refusing to discuss reasons for their illogical decisions. And I had a different staff member, every time they contacted me. |
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Rumple
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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Oops, my bad! Had the wrong guy.
Everyone, I retract my comments about Andrew.
However, Andrew, I did also tell you that BG would come here and tear you a new one, and I think that's been done. You were warned, like I said. Should have learned from that other guy's mistakes, whomever he was. |
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esetters21
Joined: 30 Apr 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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Rumple wrote: |
Oops, my bad! Had the wrong guy.
Everyone, I retract my comments about Andrew.
However, Andrew, I did also tell you that BG would come here and tear you a new one, and I think that's been done. You were warned, like I said. Should have learned from that other guy's mistakes, whomever he was. |
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The Grumpy Senator
Joined: 13 Jan 2008 Location: Up and down the 6 line
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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I did the hiring for my former school and I have nothing but good things to say about Ben, Dave, and Ryan at Footprints. They always keep both the school and the teachers up to date with what is happening. They have been a big help trying to figure out the new visa requirements and always provide excellent candidates for hire. In my time at my school, we have hired well over 50 teachers from Footprints and everything has gone smooth, over 50% of our teachers have even signed an extension to stay longer. I am a Footprints alumni myself with 3 years at the school they put me in contact with.
I know you cannot make everyone happy all the time, but I think Footprints does a far better job than any of the other recruiters I have dealt with. |
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afsjesse
Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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Not sure about FP, but I do HIGHLY recommend ESL PLANET. Contact Rowan!!!! I think its www.esl-planet.com or something like that. Perfect placement! |
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mountainous
Joined: 04 Sep 2007 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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The Grumpy Senator wrote: |
In my time at my school, we have hired well over 50 teachers from Footprints and everything has gone smooth, over 50% of our teachers have even signed an extension to stay longer. I am a Footprints alumni myself with 3 years at the school they put me in contact with. |
Can you or one of your co-workers at Footprints describe a typical job that Footprints fills.
After all, a recruiter never pays a penny of salary, not a penny. Talk about the job, including the first year salary. |
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The Grumpy Senator
Joined: 13 Jan 2008 Location: Up and down the 6 line
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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mountainous wrote: |
The Grumpy Senator wrote: |
In my time at my school, we have hired well over 50 teachers from Footprints and everything has gone smooth, over 50% of our teachers have even signed an extension to stay longer. I am a Footprints alumni myself with 3 years at the school they put me in contact with. |
Can you or one of your co-workers at Footprints describe a typical job that Footprints fills.
After all, a recruiter never pays a penny of salary, not a penny. Talk about the job, including the first year salary. |
Can't help you on that one. Never worked for Footprints; not Canadian, never even been to Canada.
I can see why they did not recruit you, based on your habit of making dumbass assumptions. |
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mountainous
Joined: 04 Sep 2007 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:37 pm Post subject: used car salesmen |
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ddeubel wrote: |
Further, I've spoken individually and in groups to hundreds of Footprints recruited teachers. I've only gotten good reports. |
75% of teachers report being screwed over http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=129843 but 100% of the teachers that you met gave positive reports. Sounds believable.
ddeubel wrote: |
I could go on. I would in no way hesitate to recommend them. |
The jobs that they get teachers pay $7/hour. I note the absence of any mention of salary throughout your endorsement of the recruiter (who does not actually pay any teacher a penny of salary). Are you currently selling advertising to Footprints or hoping to do so in the future?
glickman and deubel...did you guys used to sell cars together? |
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The Grumpy Senator
Joined: 13 Jan 2008 Location: Up and down the 6 line
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:53 pm Post subject: Re: used car salesmen |
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mountainous wrote: |
ddeubel wrote: |
Further, I've spoken individually and in groups to hundreds of Footprints recruited teachers. I've only gotten good reports. |
75% of teachers report being screwed over http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=129843 but 100% of the teachers that you met gave positive reports. Sounds believable.
ddeubel wrote: |
I could go on. I would in no way hesitate to recommend them. |
The jobs that they get teachers pay $7/hour. I note the absence of any mention of salary throughout your endorsement of the recruiter (who does not actually pay any teacher a penny of salary). Are you currently selling advertising to Footprints or hoping to do so in the future?
glickman and deubel...did you guys used to sell cars together? |
Truly, you do not assume that every teacher in Korea responded to that survey.
My former school started salary at 2.1 with no experience. That is 13,000 won per hour based on a 40 work week (28 teaching hours) and before added perks and bonuses. All together, more than double your $7 an hour assumption.
Good job on passing on this guy, Ben. |
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Donald Frost
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:44 am Post subject: |
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Footprints contacted me in April of 2003 with a very encouraging pledge to find a suitable position a.s.a.p. in Seoul. When I called the Footprints office, a male informed me that I was no longer one of their prospective instructors because I am not from Canada. He then hung up the telephone.
A Canadian man once complained to our circle of friends that Footprints colluded with his public school employer for his sudden sacking from his job over, he said, a promise made to him in writing by the company. The guy claimed to us that he received no notice of his dismissal whatsoever and that Footprints was absolutely cruel towards him when he contacted them. He told us that he was going to go to Vancouver to sue Footprints. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:59 am Post subject: |
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Mountainous,
I will state this for the last time. Don't know Ben and have nothing to do with Footprints. I don't sell anything or make a penny in any way from teaching other than my salary and payments for workshops/lectures I deliver.
I have organized and led the SMOE orientations for the last 3 years. A good number of the teachers (hundreds) come from Footprints. I keep in touch with many teachers also through EFL Classroom 2.0, our own teacher supported website. I travel throughout the year and speak/train and do my utmost to give teachers who want, professional development. I stand by my own opinion that my survey is much more thorough than a messageboard discussion like the one you refer to.
Your snide remarks only belittle you and your opinion. I suggest you focus on doing some positive things for teachers and aiming your energy into what can be done.
DD
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