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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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 Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 8:18 am Post subject: Ahmadinejad to give "alternative" Christmas speech |
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081224/ap_on_re_eu/eu_britain_iran
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LONDON � Merry Christmas, "bullying, ill-tempered and expansionist powers."
Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will deliver a Christmas Day broadcast on Britain's Channel 4 television, occupying a slot used to provide an often controversial counterpoint to Queen Elizabeth II's traditional annual message, the station said Wednesday.
In his recorded message, Ahmadinejad offers seasonal greetings to Christians and says he believes that if Jesus were alive, he would "stand with the people in opposition to bullying, ill-tempered and expansionist powers," an apparent reference to the United States and its allies.
According to a transcript of the broadcast released in advance, Ahmadinejad says most of the world's problems stem from leaders who have turned against religion. He doesn't refer to rival nations or leaders by name or raise the issue of Israel, despite his previous calls for the removal of the Jewish state.
"If Christ were on earth today, undoubtedly He would hoist the banner of justice and love for humanity to oppose warmongers, occupiers, terrorists and bullies the world over," Ahmadinejad said, according to the text.
The U.S., Britain and others suspect Iran of secretly developing nuclear weapons, while Tehran insists its uranium enrichment program is intended solely for a civilian energy program.
Ties with the U.K. were further strained in 2007 over the detention by Iran of 15 British sailors and marines, who were held for 13 days.
Ahmadinejad's message follows similar Christmas broadcasts on Channel 4 by the Rev. Jesse Jackson, Sharon Osborne and the animated TV character Marge Simpson of "The Simpsons." Last year's message was delivered by Sgt. Maj. Andrew Stockton, a British soldier badly wounded in Afghanistan.
Ahmadinejad spoke in Persian, with subtitles in English, the channel said.
Dorothy Byrne, head of news and current affairs at Channel 4, said Ahmadinejad had been selected because relations between Iran and the West are likely to be a key global issue in 2009.
"As the leader of one of the most powerful states in the Middle East, President Ahmadinejad's views are enormously influential. As we approach a critical time in international relations, we are offering our viewers an insight into an alternative world view," Byrne said.
The channel's news program broadcast an interview with Ahmadinejad in September 2007, when the Iranian leader insisted his nation wasn't seeking to develop a nuclear weapon. |
A radical right-wing, radical anti-Jew, radical muslim.
Shit, why not have a representative from a German neo-Nazi organization? Z�ndel must be already booked. Perhaps next year the BBC can issue a call to islam by osama himself.
leftist scum. I've got my first festivus grievance for 2009. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| Well, I dunno. If Ahmadinejad delivers his Christmas message, and then I post the text on Dave's for people to comment on, do I deserve the same criticism that you're levelling at Channel 4? I'm not sure what difference there is between what C4 did and what I did. |
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Gopher
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Pathetic sensationalism. They want ratings at any expense, I imagine. The British will bite into it hook, line, and sinker, of course.
Who follows him, by the way? H. Chavez...? |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:18 am Post subject: |
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| As the leader of one of the most powerful states in the Middle East, President Ahmadinejad's views are enormously influential |
Well now that depends on what he says, doesn't it?
Because when he denies the holocaust, we're reminded that he's not the real leader of Iran. But whenever he might appear to be opening Iran in anyway, he becomes the leader of Iran again. |
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BS.Dos.
Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:23 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Pathetic sensationalism. The British will bite into it hook, line, and sinker, of course. |
Nice. Flippant reactionary prejudice, referencing Yankee yahoodandy.shit. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:30 am Post subject: |
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| Well, I dunno. If Ahmadinejad delivers his Christmas message, and then I post the text on Dave's for people to comment on, do I deserve the same criticism that you're levelling at Channel 4? I'm not sure what difference there is between what C4 did and what I did. |
Dave's isn't publicly funded. This is an uber niche message board.
These clowns would have given hitler a chance to speak in the interest of "balance". Sometimes an idea or person is simply too vile to give a soapbox to. |
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BS.Dos.
Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:43 am Post subject: |
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| ... and another thing, OP, that flamboyant avatar of yours is about as interesting as your syndicated posts. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:52 am Post subject: |
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Hey thanks. It's Green Man from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. Best comedy on tv.
So, when you gonna just obey your masters and bow to allah? |
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BS.Dos.
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| So, when you gonna just obey your masters and bow to allah? |
When you climb out of that green spandex suit of yours and post something of substance. |
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mises
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:13 am Post subject: |
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| So, now? |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| On the other hand wrote: |
| Well, I dunno. If Ahmadinejad delivers his Christmas message, and then I post the text on Dave's for people to comment on, do I deserve the same criticism that you're levelling at Channel 4? I'm not sure what difference there is between what C4 did and what I did. |
Dave's isn't publicly funded. This is an uber niche message board.
These clowns would have given hitler a chance to speak in the interest of "balance". Sometimes an idea or person is simply too vile to give a soapbox to. |
You seem to have mixed up Channel 4 and the BBC. It's Channel 4 that has invited him, not the BBC.
Iranian president to deliver Channel 4's alternative Christmas message
They do an alternative Christmas message every year. They're an alternative to the Queen's speech. |
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caniff
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Pathetic sensationalism. |
Agreed. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| They're an alternative to the Queen's speech. |
Can you list the last five or so of these? When they say "alternative," like so many Americans who crave "alternative" this, that, or especially "alternative politics," I think they use "alternative" as a euphemism. They also lie to themselves about it. I think what they mean they are craving and selling is confrontationalism and oppositionism. It seems so juvenile. Antiestablishmentarianism at its most dogmatic and simplistic.
And in this quest of "alternativism," what they have done, in their holy mission of self-righteousness to stand independent of "the official version" or what-have-you, is to create the alternative people's "official version" and they tend to follow this unquestioningly. |
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ED209
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List of Alternative message presenters
* 1993 - Quentin Crisp
* 1994 - Rev Jesse Jackson
* 1995 - Brigitte Bardot
* 1996 - Rory Bremner (as Diana, Princess of Wales)
* 1997 - Margaret Gibney, a Belfast schoolgirl broadcast a plea for peace in Northern Ireland
* 1998 - Doreen Lawrence and Neville Lawrence, parents of Stephen Lawrence
* 1999 - Ali G
* 2000 - Helen Jeffries, mother of a CJD victim
* 2001 - Genelle Guzman, World Trade Center terrorist attacks survivor
* 2002 - Sharon Osbourne
* 2003 - Barry and Michelle Seabourn, a Merseyside couple who appeared on Channel 4 reality show Wife Swap.
* 2004 - Marge Simpson
* 2005 - Jamie Oliver
* 2006 - Khadija Ravat[7]
* 2007 - Major Andrew Stockton, a British soldier who lost his arm fighting in Afghanistan.
* 2008 - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, president of Iran [8] |
I think he's in good company. I'll give it a watch. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 2:08 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| They're an alternative to the Queen's speech. |
Can you list the last five or so of these? When they say "alternative," like so many Americans who crave "alternative" this, that, or especially "alternative politics," I think they use "alternative" as a euphemism. They also lie to themselves about it. I think what they mean they are craving and selling is confrontationalism and oppositionism. It seems so juvenile. Antiestablishmentarianism at its most dogmatic and simplistic.
And in this quest of "alternativism," what they have done, in their holy mission of self-righteousness to stand independent of "the official version" or what-have-you, is to create the alternative people's "official version" and they tend to follow this unquestioningly. |
OK, Gopher. YOu watch the boring old speech by Lizzy, and I'll take what Channel 4 has to offer every time. |
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