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ManintheMiddle
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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 Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:23 am Post subject: HOW BIG OF THEM: Europeans Consider Taking Gitmo Prisoners |
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Looks like a few European nations who bellyached about the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay have decided to put their money where their mouths are:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081223/pl_nm/us_guantanamo_europe
Of course, they had to make political hay over what they purport to be a humanitarian issue. Never mind that thousands of soldiers have died to keep Afghanistan from becoming a staging ground again for Muslim terrorists.
Gotta love Far Left altruism. |
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sharkey
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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middle man, god youre terrible
lets torture everyone, i hope they throw you in Gitmo and get waterboared... ud be crying like a *beep* and more than likely not want any other person to experience what you just experienced. |
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Location: Jeolla province
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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Now if the US had arrested actual terrorists instead of random folk most of the time, we wouldn't be in this mess.
Well, we can't leave innocent people in prison forever. Bringing them into the US isn't really a viable option (Yeah sorry for torturing you. It was bad intel. But hey, you can live in our country now, surrounded by Palinites/racist rednecks) and their home countries don't want 'em either (under the time honored diplomatic tradition of 'you broke 'em you bought 'em) so we got to stick 'em somewhere. Maybe under the Tuscan sun they can begin to heal the scars unjust detention has left to their bodies and minds.
A famous soldier was on TV a while ago and he said that most of our casualties in Iraq/Afghanistan after 2003 caused by foreign fighters were the result of our detention policies in Abu Garib and Guantanamo. Once those places are gone, the motivation starts to drop. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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Now if the US had arrested actual terrorists instead of random folk most of the time, we wouldn't be in this mess.
Well, we can't leave innocent people in prison forever. Bringing them into the US isn't really a viable option (Yeah sorry for torturing you. It was bad intel. But hey, you can live in our country now, surrounded by Palinites/racist rednecks) and their home countries don't want 'em either (under the time honored diplomatic tradition of 'you broke 'em you bought 'em) so we got to stick 'em somewhere. Maybe under the Tuscan sun they can begin to heal the scars unjust detention has left to their bodies and minds.
A famous soldier was on TV a while ago and he said that most of our casualties in Iraq/Afghanistan after 2003 caused by foreign fighters were the result of our detention policies in Abu Garib and Guantanamo. Once those places are gone, the motivation starts to drop. |
During the 1990's 70,000 trained in AQ camps . There wasn't any Abu Garib or Guantanamo at the time. What was the problem then?
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Al-Qaeda camps 'trained 70,000'
Thousands are said to have joined al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan
Some 70,000 people received weapons training and religious instruction in al-Qaeda camps, German police say.
The claim came at the retrial of Mounir al-Motassadek, a Moroccan man accused of involvement in the 9/11 attacks, which were partly planned in Germany.
A German police officer told the court recruits at the camps were taught they had a duty to kill US citizens. |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4146969.stm |
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it's full of stars
Joined: 26 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Weren't those camps and AQ funded by America? Sounds like a good return on its investment, no?
"These are quality, motivated, well-trained death-dealers right here. Good to go at altitude or sea level, hot and cold climes, urban areas and harsh terrain. It will subsist on a diet of rice, herbs and goat for extended periods of time. Now be careful with these, because once activated they are difficult to stop, are self-replicating, and cause more mayhem than a college wrestling team on spring-break. We got 70,000 of these mothers. Where do you want them?"
Like another poster said; if you break it, you own it. |
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ManintheMiddle
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 3:18 am Post subject: |
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Ah, yes, the chorus of Far Left, American bashers has sung...
sharkey blurted:
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| lets torture everyone, i hope they throw you in Gitmo and get waterboared... ud be crying like a *beep* and more than likely not want any other person to experience what you just experienced |
Now that's an even-handed response.  Where did I imply that torture was legitimate? Where did I even mention torture? Look, the very people who pissed and moaned for years about the facility weren't willing to take in any of these prisoners. And many of the very politicians in American who were so eager to close the facility refuse to consider relocating these captives to their home states as well.
As for water-boarding, IF it can extract operational intelligence, I say do it. I don't give a rat's ass if it will save innocent life--and I include in that number the NATO forces in Afghanistan, whose cause is noble.
agent X blurted too:
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| Now if the US had arrested actual terrorists instead of random folk most of the time, we wouldn't be in this mess. |
If they're so harmless, or mistargeted, why I'm sure there judiciaries will have them released in no time, right? Now put on your thinking cap before you try to respond to this question. Don't be ideologically-driven or even befuddled; it's most unbecoming.
The Far Left would be content only if the U.S. and coalition forces in Afghanistan had not taken any prisoners, or only a few high profile ones. Never mind whether the individuals captured returned to terrorist training. What matters most is tolerance. |
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it's full of stars
Joined: 26 Dec 2007
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Rubbish. If you get picked up by the police they like to pin something on you. National Security Agencies take it one step further by refusing to admit they actually have you, until caught red-handed, and then refuse you right to counsel and a fair trial.
Didn't America refuse to allow them POW status, instead calling them enemy combatants, and base them in Gitmo to evade the USA federal laws? Therefore these kindly old judiciaries you talk about, weren't allowed near them. |
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Location: Jeolla province
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| MoronintheMiddle/BillO'Reilly wrote: |
agent X blurted too:
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| Now if the US had arrested actual terrorists instead of random folk most of the time, we wouldn't be in this mess. |
If they're so harmless, or mistargeted, why I'm sure there judiciaries will have them released in no time, right? Now put on your thinking cap before you try to respond to this question. Don't be ideologically-driven or even befuddled; it's most unbecoming.
The Far Left would be content only if the U.S. and coalition forces in Afghanistan had not taken any prisoners, or only a few high profile ones. Never mind whether the individuals captured returned to terrorist training. What matters most is tolerance. |
Well now, I was certainly hoping the US government would put them on the same block as your house so you can show how "enlightened" conservatives really are, but Europe will just have to do.
Now you do realize that the justices and parties responsible for Guantanamo have been releasing prisoners for awhile now, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp#Released_prisoners
Oh you didn't...guess you should put your thinking cap on instead.
Only a few have 'returned' to terrorism. Problem is, the source of the information regarding terrorist recidivism is coming from Dick Cheney, a man not exactly known for his honesty.
Do they all become terrorists? Obviously no.
Does America keep POWs and dangerous felons in jail after their sentence is complete because the rest of recidivism is high? No.
Obviously we're not going to release KSM or another high-profile target into Italian or Portuguese custody. Europe is open but not THAT open. You did know that, right? Or do I also need to explain once again that the earth is not flat?
Seriously, Bill O'Reilly, are you so angry with the left that you have to come to a Korean message to debate since you can't beat Keith Olbermann? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| it's full of stars wrote: |
Weren't those camps and AQ funded by America? Sounds like a good return on its investment, no?
"These are quality, motivated, well-trained death-dealers right here. Good to go at altitude or sea level, hot and cold climes, urban areas and harsh terrain. It will subsist on a diet of rice, herbs and goat for extended periods of time. Now be careful with these, because once activated they are difficult to stop, are self-replicating, and cause more mayhem than a college wrestling team on spring-break. We got 70,000 of these mothers. Where do you want them?"
Like another poster said; if you break it, you own it. |
No they weren't.
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Rubbish. If you get picked up by the police they like to pin something on you. National Security Agencies take it one step further by refusing to admit they actually have you, until caught red-handed, and then refuse you right to counsel and a fair trial.
Didn't America refuse to allow them POW status, instead calling them enemy combatants, and base them in Gitmo to evade the USA federal laws? Therefore these kindly old judiciaries you talk about, weren't allowed near them. |
Al Qaeda are not POWs.
Al Qaeda is a criminal organziation.
By the way is was the opinion of the Clinton Adminstration that in 1996 Bin Laden could not be convicted in a US court.
The US justice system is not up to dealing with Al Qaeda. |
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