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John_ESL_White
Joined: 12 Nov 2008
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:19 am Post subject: Demanding Weekly Pay |
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After being paid late once (and having the Korean teachers tell me they have been paid late for months in a row), I've approached the director and demanded a weekly pay schedule.
She's not too happy. But, I think it'll happen because the moms have just started paying for January. No weekly pay, no FT and she'd have to refund all that money to the moms and explain why there is no FT anymore.
My argument:
The parents pay in advance for their childrens' classes.
As such, the moms have paid for my classes one month before the wonjangnim pays me.
Therefore, I should NEVER be paid late- PerioD.
But, I've been paid late one time too many (once).
Her argument:
More and more parents are paying with credit cards.
She does not get the money from the CC companies for up to two weeks.
She is having a cash flow problem.
---my response to this was, how is that my problem? I come to work each and every day and am never late.... I come to work for money, not because I like her, my co-workers, or the kids.....
Anyway, I explained to her that the "small" apartment hagwons I work at pay me each and every day that I walk through their doors and that being paid weekly by a larger hagwon is pretty fair and not an unreasonable request.
Why? Well, wonjangnim, first, if you decide you can not afford me anymore, right before my monthly pay date, I'm out a LOT of cash. Whereas if you decide you can not afford me anymore and I'm paid weekly, I'm only losing 1/4 of my wages.
Seem fair?
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we'll see. |
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mountainous

Joined: 04 Sep 2007 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:13 am Post subject: Re: Demanding Weekly Pay |
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John_ESL_White wrote: |
No weekly pay, no FT and she'd have to refund all that money to the moms and explain why there is no FT anymore. |
Or you can get fired..then u explain why u don't have a job anymore. I'm not dogging you, just being realistic. This stuff happens all the time.
I think it's good advice to demand payment up front or on a weekly basis.
Let us know how it plays out. |
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ChinaBoy
Joined: 17 Feb 2007
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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I'd just quit now and avoid the hassle. |
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Jeff's Cigarettes

Joined: 27 Mar 2007
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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Late pay is unacceptable. You're to be paid on the date specified in ur contract. If u aren't...contact labor and ask them to sort it, that's their job. |
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maingman
Joined: 26 Jan 2008 Location: left Korea
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howie2424

Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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Why? Well, wonjangnim, first, if you decide you can not afford me anymore, right before my monthly pay date, I'm out a LOT of cash. Whereas if you decide you can not afford me anymore and I'm paid weekly, I'm only losing 1/4 of my wages. |
If your contract provides that you will be paid monthly, as the above quote suggests, how can you demand to be paid weekly? |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: On the road to somewhere.
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Here's my experience, for what it's worth.
In my old hagwon days, I made the mistake of re-signing for a second year at the same school. Although I'd doubled the student intake (and income, presumably), my conditions didn't get better - they got progressively worse. For the final 6 months, I literally had to take my boss to the bank on payday (as he kept 'forgotting' to pay me).
"You teach now."
"Sorry, no pay, no teach."
"You teach now."
"No, you tell students coming in 10 mins there's no teacher because you didn't pay him for last month."
"OK. We go bank now."
His other scam was not to pay me before my vacations out of Korea (hoping I wouldn't return and so he could pocket my salary).
Be firm, and polite. Late pay = no work till paid. Them's the rules - everywhere. |
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moosehead

Joined: 05 May 2007
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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oldfatfarang wrote: |
Here's my experience, for what it's worth.
In my old hagwon days, I made the mistake of re-signing for a second year at the same school. Although I'd doubled the student intake (and income, presumably), my conditions didn't get better - they got progressively worse. For the final 6 months, I literally had to take my boss to the bank on payday (as he kept 'forgotting' to pay me).
"You teach now."
"Sorry, no pay, no teach."
"You teach now."
"No, you tell students coming in 10 mins there's no teacher because you didn't pay him for last month."
"OK. We go bank now."
His other scam was not to pay me before my vacations out of Korea (hoping I wouldn't return and so he could pocket my salary).
Be firm, and polite. Late pay = no work till paid. Them's the rules - everywhere. |
absolutely, positively, YES !! |
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plynx

Joined: 03 Jun 2008
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:14 pm Post subject: Re: Demanding Weekly Pay |
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John_ESL_White wrote: |
After being paid late once (and having the Korean teachers tell me they have been paid late for months in a row), I've approached the director and demanded a weekly pay schedule.
She's not too happy. But, I think it'll happen because the moms have just started paying for January. No weekly pay, no FT and she'd have to refund all that money to the moms and explain why there is no FT anymore.
My argument:
The parents pay in advance for their childrens' classes.
As such, the moms have paid for my classes one month before the wonjangnim pays me.
Therefore, I should NEVER be paid late- PerioD.
But, I've been paid late one time too many (once).
Her argument:
More and more parents are paying with credit cards.
She does not get the money from the CC companies for up to two weeks.
She is having a cash flow problem.
---my response to this was, how is that my problem? I come to work each and every day and am never late.... I come to work for money, not because I like her, my co-workers, or the kids.....
Anyway, I explained to her that the "small" apartment hagwons I work at pay me each and every day that I walk through their doors and that being paid weekly by a larger hagwon is pretty fair and not an unreasonable request.
Why? Well, wonjangnim, first, if you decide you can not afford me anymore, right before my monthly pay date, I'm out a LOT of cash. Whereas if you decide you can not afford me anymore and I'm paid weekly, I'm only losing 1/4 of my wages.
Seem fair?
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we'll see. |
you are my new hero. seriously, this takes some balls. it is NOT your problem if the school is having financial problems. i think you're going to get yourself into some trouble (possibly fired), but i still think you're doing the RIGHT thing. let us know how it works out! |
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