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pkang0202
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 Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:24 am Post subject: Atheist sues to get prayer and "God" removed from |
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/30/AR2008123002858.html?hpid=sec=religion
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| A group of atheists, led by a California man known for challenging the use of the words "under God" in recitals of the Pledge of Allegiance at public schools, filed a lawsuit yesterday to bar prayer and references to God at the swearing-in of President-elect Barack Obama. |
This guy is from California. Enough said. |
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fiveeagles
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| I wish I could sue to get rid of atheists from our country. |
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JMO
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Seems like 'one nation under god' is pretty insensitive to those people who do not believe in a God. The whole idea of a pledge of allegiance is laughable anyway. |
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toowise
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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true, one nation shoud be enough, why bring religion into it when the founding fathers made it clear that the seperation of state and church was a keystone?
Awww are all the biblethumpers going to come screamin out now to say that we all need to beleive their insanity? |
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joshuahirtle27
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Can you sue someone for being politically correct? I'm just wondering because political correctness offends me. |
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Cheonmunka
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, it is a good point. One could easily frame it as just a simple, "Will you always be a truthful and honest American?" "Yep." |
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dmbfan
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Seems like 'one nation under god' is pretty insensitive to those people who do not believe in a God. The whole idea of a pledge of allegiance is laughable anyway. |
So, for the MAJORITY of Americans that do believe in God, we should cater to the baby tears of the minority?
Nothing wrong with the pledge of alligiance, unless you are a far left nut job. Showing and expressing love of your country is a good thing...unless you are a far left nut job. Making sure that the young generation(s) don't forget what it means to be an American and showing alligiance to their country is a good thing........unless you are a far left nut job.
People like the OP is talking about are not trying to do anything good. They are not trying to find truth or better the lives of others. They are simply trying to pick an arguement and get attention.
The day that the majority of Americans do NOT believe in God is when we can adhere to the whims of the far left nut jobs. Until then, people that don't want other Amerians to give references to god or show alligance to their country can simply *beep* OFF.
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Gopher
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The vast majority of the world's peoples and cultures, Americans included, believe in God and remain religious -- to one degree or another. Atheists, who represent merely one religion among many, seem just as intolerant and aggressive about their beliefs as any militant fundamentalist.
Why allow their sensitivities and agendas to dictate American affairs? |
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, it is a good point. One could easily frame it as just a simple, "Will you always be a truthful and honest American?" "Yep." |
Yeah, that's brilliant. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Seems like 'one nation under god' is pretty insensitive to those people who do not believe in a God. The whole idea of a pledge of allegiance is laughable anyway. |
They don't have to say it. And they don't have to swear on a Bible in court. But the relevant issue here is whether Barack Obama can say "so help me God."
Yes, he can!
See also the Newdow case.
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| One could easily frame it as just a simple, "Will you always be a truthful and honest American?" "Yep." |
Sure, if Barack wanted. But I think he and others want him to say "so help me God."
He has that right. |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
| Seems like 'one nation under god' is pretty insensitive to those people who do not believe in a God. The whole idea of a pledge of allegiance is laughable anyway. |
where the hell was the sensitivity training for people who wrote the pledge of allegiance?
boo hoo hoo |
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Gamecock
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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where the hell was the sensitivity training for people who wrote the pledge of allegiance?
boo hoo hoo |
Seems like those writers were pretty sensitive after all. Actually, the pledge was written in 1892 and the phrase "under God" was added in 1952 by the Knights of Columbus and other Christian groups who worked very hard for over a year to have this legislated into effect. Around the same time a religious push was made to make "in God we trust" the official national motto.
The pledge, like many other American myths, such as the idea that America was a "Christian nation" at it's founding, and the founding fathers were inspired by their faith in creating this country, has been so pushed by Christians over the last 50 years or so to make anyone who thinks otherwise as un-American. I find it ironic that these atheists simply try to undo what Christians did 60 years ago...and they are going about it in almost the identical manner while being called all sorts of names for doing so.
Personally, i could care less. I do find it interesting, however, to see the ignorance of history and self-righteousness here. |
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Bibbitybop
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Gamecock wrote: |
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where the hell was the sensitivity training for people who wrote the pledge of allegiance?
boo hoo hoo |
Seems like those writers were pretty sensitive after all. Actually, the pledge was written in 1892 and the phrase "under God" was added in 1952 by the Knights of Columbus and other Christian groups who worked very hard for over a year to have this legislated into effect. Around the same time a religious push was made to make "in God we trust" the official national motto.
The pledge, like many other American myths, such as the idea that America was a "Christian nation" at it's founding, and the founding fathers were inspired by their faith in creating this country, has been so pushed by Christians over the last 50 years or so to make anyone who thinks otherwise as un-American. I find it ironic that these atheists simply try to undo what Christians did 60 years ago...and they are going about it in almost the identical manner while being called all sorts of names for doing so.
Personally, i could care less. I do find it interesting, however, to see the ignorance of history and self-righteousness here. |
This was the first good response to this thread. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Oh shucks, there are god references in the Declaration of Independence. I guess those have to go. Lets tell Britain that the Declaration of Independence is null and void because there is a reference to a "Creator",aka God, and that is state sponsorship of religion.
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 12:58 am Post subject: Re: Atheist sues to get prayer and "God" removed f |
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| This guy is from California. Enough said. |
Save it.
Anyway, the Constitution provides for the President to either swear or affirm. It's up to the President, not someone filing a lawsuit. |
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