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Jandar

Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject: Isreal Invades Gaza |
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Looks like they are just waiting for favorable weather.
Good luck Hamas. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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Here's the article.  |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:47 am Post subject: Re: Isreal Invades Gaza |
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Jandar wrote: |
Looks like they are just waiting for favorable weather.
Good luck Hamas. |
Unfortunately, it will bring more suffering to the Gaza Strip, but firing primitive missiles at Israel is not productive. |
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Jandar

Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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itaewonguy

Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:06 am Post subject: |
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they need to get this fight over with for once and for all!
I hope they go all in! fight till the end until one side conquers the other side and takes control of it! colonizes it and be done with this shit!! |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:13 am Post subject: |
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[quote="itaewonguy"]they need to get this fight over with for once and for all!
I hope they go all in! fight till the end until one side conquers the other side and takes control of it! colonizes it and be done with this shit!/q![uote]
We are talking about peoples' lives over here. Hundreds of civilians are going to end up dead in the Gaza Strip. I don't support Hamas and their ideology, but collective punishment is a violation of international law. I wish the two sides would sign some kind of peace agreement. It would be nice, at least, if Syria and Israel come to an agreement. As far as Hamas, they shouldn't have been elected in the first place, but that was Bush's idea indirectly. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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Adventurer wrote: |
As far as Hamas, they shouldn't have been elected in the first place, but that was Bush's idea indirectly. |
Yeah, and it was the Palestinians idea directly. You reap what you sow. |
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itaewonguy

Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Adventurer wrote: |
I wish the two sides would sign some kind of peace agreement. . |
we are past that now! its never gonna happen..
I think Isreal needs to give back the land to palestine. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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itaewonguy wrote: |
I think Isreal needs to give back the land to palestine. |
If you mean the creation of a Palestinian state, I agree. There will never be peace without one. However, I am unconvinced that this would end the BS. Israel gave back Gaza, and Hamas kept sending rockets and mortar fire across the border.
What a mess. |
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Insidejohnmalkovich

Joined: 11 Jan 2008 Location: Pusan
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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The Palestinians have already been given almost all of Gaza and the West Bank: but they keep throwing stones and rockets. Israel should drive Hamas out of Gaza and make a client state of Fatah-led Palestine. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 4:15 am Post subject: |
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I know that this will be classed as propoganda, but it does lay out certain arguments well.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050421.html
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Leftist 1: Israel's true motive in bombing Gaza, is genocide against the Palestinian people and extermination of their right to statehood.
Israel's genuine interest in this campaign is strikingly similar to Hamas' interest in firing scores of rockets into Israeli population centers: Forcing a cease-fire on better terms than the one just ended.
For Hamas, this largely means easing Israeli economic sanctions against Gazans. For Israel, this centers on ending shelling by Qassam and Grad missiles and mortar shells. For both sides, this means a prisoner exchange, centering on Gilad Shalit and hundreds of jailed Hamas members.
Leftist 2: The Palestinians have no recourse but to defend themselves, and the makeshift rockets they fire are nothing compared to the world's most advanced warplanes and munitions, which the IDF is using against them.
The Human Rights Watch organization has been unequivocal in condemning the use of Qassam rockets as a direct violation of international humanitarian law and the laws of war. The firing of Qassams and mortars against civilian populations also
constitutes collective punishment
against hundreds of thousands of innocent Israeli men, women and children.
Moreover, the firing of Qassams began not as a response to the siege against Gaza, but as a marathon celebration by armed Islamic fundamentalist groups following Israel's withdrawal of its troops and settlers from the Strip. To purposely add insult to injury, Islamic Jihad and other organizations used the ruins of settlements as launch platforms.
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RJjr

Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Location: Turning on a Lamp
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 5:14 am Post subject: |
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Insidejohnmalkovich wrote: |
The Palestinians have already been given almost all of Gaza and the West Bank: but they keep throwing stones and rockets. Israel should drive Hamas out of Gaza and make a client state of Fatah-led Palestine. |
The Palestinians need a third party to emerge for some of the same reasons America needs a viable third party. Gaza isn't ever going to amount to anything until the Palestinians start placing a tremendous emphasis on commerce and academic education and stop obsessively wasting their time and money on unwinnable wars. |
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NoExplode

Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 6:18 am Post subject: |
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Holy Bodycount! Pretty surgical too, out of 225 bodies so far, only 15 have been women or children. Mighty efficient combatant to civilian ratio! |
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sharkey

Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:34 am Post subject: |
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NoExplode wrote: |
Holy Bodycount! Pretty surgical too, out of 225 bodies so far, only 15 have been women or children. Mighty efficient combatant to civilian ratio! |
agreed, if that is true. how would you ever know. all i know is that Israel is going bananas with airstrikes and its creating a wedge between hamas and fata because one is blaming the other for the slaughter. doing exactly what israel wants, divide them up |
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Jandar

Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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