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Yu_Bum_suk
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 Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:48 pm Post subject: Why do a majority of Americans support Israel's policies? |
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Why is America the only nation in the world in which a majority of the public tends to support Israel's foreign policy? Do they really care so much about the lives of 6 million Israelis even though they ignore hundreds of millions of others who could dearly use their support? Is there any sort of imagined economic benefit behind all the ideological babble? Is it because they're so flattered that, besides ex-poodle Blair, Israel is the only government that publically pretends to be America's friend?
I really don't get what such a selfish nation could see in it for them. |
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Jandar
Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Why does the rest of the world hate the Jews?
Why do you support Hamas and their slogan
"You love life, but we love death" |
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sharkey
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| because youre talking about the same country who elected Bush twice, not the smart people in the world |
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Jandar
Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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Why has Egypt abandoned Hamas?
Why has France postponed UN discussions until Wednesday?
Why has Hezbollah abandoned Hamas?
This is not an Arab v. Jew confrontation.
This is Israel v Hamas and Hamas is wrong, dead wrong.
West back law makers refute Hamas.
Hamas is evil, it may even be that Iran is abandoning Hamas. |
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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp
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| Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
Why is America the only nation in the world in which a majority of the public tends to support Israel's foreign policy? Do they really care so much about the lives of 6 million Israelis even though they ignore hundreds of millions of others who could dearly use their support? Is there any sort of imagined economic benefit behind all the ideological babble? Is it because they're so flattered that, besides ex-poodle Blair, Israel is the only government that publically pretends to be America's friend?
I really don't get what such a selfish nation could see in it for them. |
I'm an American and I share your frustration.
The statistics from the CIA world factbook explain a lot of it.
79.96% of Americans are white. Whites in America tend to be pro-Israel while Blacks and Arabs in America tend to sympathize with the Palestinians.
Furthermore 76.8% of Americans are Christians of some sort and 1.7% of Americans are religiously Jewish. While everyone knows that Israel gets a lot of support from the synogogues in America, what a lot of outsiders don't fully grasp is how fanatically pro-Israel the churches in America are.
23.9% of Americans are Roman Catholic and I don't know how they view Israel. And I don't know how the 1.6% of Americans who are "other Christian" view Israel, but from being born and raised in a Protestant family just like the majority of Americans (51.3%), I can tell you that Protestants are hardcore pro-Israel, perhaps moreso than religious Jews. These people read the Bible all of the time and in the Old Testament, the good guys are always the "Israelites." If you ask most Southern Baptists, Methodists, Pentacostals, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and so on if the Israelis are "God's Chosen People," they will all enthusiatically say, "Yes! Of course! The Bible says so!" They'll tell you that the Bible says that Israel is the "apple of God's eye."
Most of my relatives are Southern Baptist and my sister was really angry at me a few months ago when I was going on one of my usual rants about the Israel lobby. She quoted Genesis 12:3 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2012&version=9; at me and basically told me I was going to Hell. My parents are so fanatically pro-Israel that I don't even like to hear them talk about Israel and they definitely don't like hearing me talk about Israel. I go to church with them sometimes to socialize with others in my community and the preacher's sermon a while back was actually quoting Gensis 12:3. He was saying, "I hate to think what disaster America would face is we stopped supporting Israel." Apparently, he thinks it would be bigger and badder than the 9/11 disaster which happened because of our support for Israel.
Notice the American and Israel flags in this video of an American church. It's at the 1:18 mark in the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_CkZWTvKBc This is not uncommon. I was watching footage of a preacher in Texas a while back, John Hagee I think, and the American Christians there each had their own individual small Israel flag that they could wave during the worship service. Again, this was not at a synagogue, but rather at a Christian worship service. If I ever run across the footage on YouTube, I'll post it on this thread.
Black Christians aren't so pro-Israel as white Christians. I think it's because they indentify with the Palestinians because of their own historical oppression at the hands of white people and identify with the Palestinians in that respect.
I think black Christians worry more about putting food on their table and paying the bills. But it's different in the white Christian community in America. Fewer and fewer can afford health insurance for themselves and their families. Fewer and fewer can afford to pay their home mortgages and credit card bills. Home foreclosures are going through the roof. Still, white Christians still want to give money to Israel to slaughter brown people in order to receive the long-awaited "blessing from God." Although AIPAC is the point man in funneling our tax dollars to Israel, it is actually Christians who are most responsible for crashing our economy. |
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Insidejohnmalkovich
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| Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Because the Jews have made and continue to make so many contributions to science, art, literature et cetera. They are kindred spirits, part of Western civilization. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:37 pm Post subject: Re: Why do a majority of Americans support Israel's policies |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
Why is America the only nation in the world in which a majority of the public tends to support Israel's foreign policy? Do they really care so much about the lives of 6 million Israelis even though they ignore hundreds of millions of others who could dearly use their support? Is there any sort of imagined economic benefit behind all the ideological babble? Is it because they're so flattered that, besides ex-poodle Blair, Israel is the only government that publically pretends to be America's friend?
I really don't get what such a selfish nation could see in it for them. |
Wow, that is a lot of misinformation! I can't tell if you are ignorant or just intend to slander, or a mix of both. I'll go with uninformed ignorance with the the intent to slander.
Lesson #1: You really need to study the Holocaust. In the recent past, most of Europe tried to exterminate the Jewish people off the face of the earth. Those people went all over the globe to escape, but the masses of them went to 'Israel' or they went to the 'United States'. Those who went to the U.S., probably determinted to never have that happen again, got DEEPLY involved in the U.S. government and particularly foreign policy. They are entrenched there, and will remain there at nearly every level. This is the reality, and not that dumb ignorant white people just demanded the U.S. support Israel, and the U.S. government just blindly does what the ignorant masses say to them (as you seem to somewhat imply).
Lesson #2: You say that only Blair and Isreal 'pretend' to be the U.S.'s friend. The reality is that ALL nations have self-interests and do all things self-interested related. I suggest going to the Library and checking out any book with the title 'POLITICS 101' and open to Page 1 if you want to read more about that. Anyways, many countries 'pretend' to like the U.S. or 'pretend' not to, based on their own self-interests. As to only two nations on the planet who 'pretend' to like the U.S., and you are absolutely wrong. MANY nations do it, and look no further than your own country, Canada and Stephen Harper. That country felt so strong about it, that Canadian people stood up and voted in Stephen Harper to show their support for George Bush. Now that speaks volumes right there. I wonder how Stephen Harper feels on this issue. |
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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp
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| Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Insidejohnmalkovich wrote: |
| Because the Jews have made and continue to make so many contributions to science, art, literature et cetera. They are kindred spirits, part of Western civilization. |
That can't be the reason, because the Germans made so many contributions to science, art, literature et cetera and we fought them in vicious battles and rightfully so. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:44 pm Post subject: Re: Why do a majority of Americans support Israel's policies |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
I can't tell if you are ignorant or just intend to slander, or a mix of both. I'll go with uninformed ignorance with the the intent to slander.
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Just want to quickly point out that it should be "intent to libel against (insert object)". Slander is spoken, libel is written.
Other than that, I agree with you. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:53 am Post subject: |
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The US without a doubt can't afford to send Israel 3 billion dollars a year no ifs ands or buts about it -especially now .And lets be clear Israel if they really are a good friend ought to say thanks but no thanks to that money. Then again lets be clear the anti war movement or a lot of them want the US to give in to most of the demands of Israel's enemies, that is what they don't talk about.
I mean ought the US be afraid to express its opinion at the UN , or not trade, military or have diplomatic ties with a someone just cause Bathists , Khomeni followers , Al Qaedists or those with similar ideology get mad? |
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TexasPete
Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Koreatown
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:26 am Post subject: |
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Most of my relatives are Southern Baptist and my sister was really angry at me a few months ago when I was going on one of my usual rants about the Israel lobby. She quoted Genesis 12:3 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2012&version=9; at me and basically told me I was going to Hell. My parents are so fanatically pro-Israel that I don't even like to hear them talk about Israel and they definitely don't like hearing me talk about Israel. I go to church with them sometimes to socialize with others in my community and the preacher's sermon a while back was actually quoting Gensis 12:3. He was saying, "I hate to think what disaster America would face is we stopped supporting Israel." Apparently, he thinks it would be bigger and badder than the 9/11 disaster which happened because of our support for Israel.
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What gets me about the pro-Israel right wing religious nutjobs is that they see the return of Israel as a sign of the Apocalypse and yet they think something bad will happen to America if they don't support Israel. Hello!!!! Armegedon destroys the world and that includes America last time I checked. So, in essence, these evangelicals and bornagains and their leaders (both political and religious) think that the support of Israel hastens the end of everything.
And these people vote. In large numbers. And so we get assholes like Bush in office. |
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Gimpokid
Joined: 09 Nov 2008
Location: Best Gimpo
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:56 am Post subject: |
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What gets me about the pro-Israel right wing religious nutjobs is that they see the return of Israel as a sign of the Apocalypse and yet they think something bad will happen to America if they don't support Israel. Hello!!!! Armegedon destroys the world and that includes America last time I checked. So, in essence, these evangelicals and bornagains and their leaders (both political and religious) think that the support of Israel hastens the end of everything.
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At which time they will all go rocketing towards Jesus. While the rest of will roast in hell or at best learn some long overdue lessons and get into some thrilling adventures a la the "Left Behind" series. It is written. |
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Beej
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:00 am Post subject: |
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The average American doesnt really support anything politically in regards to foreign affairs unless there is a hot war involving American troops.
The Jew lobby,AIPAC, is the most powerful and feared PAC in American politics.
Jews dont blow up American cities and behead people on tv, Muslims do.
Jews have actually contributed much to the advancement of mankind in the last 100 years and will likely do so in the future. Arabs not so much.
And Jews control the US media. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:08 am Post subject: Re: Why do a majority of Americans support Israel's policies |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
Why is America the only nation in the world in which a majority of the public tends to support Israel's foreign policy? Do they really care so much about the lives of 6 million Israelis even though they ignore hundreds of millions of others who could dearly use their support? Is there any sort of imagined economic benefit behind all the ideological babble? Is it because they're so flattered that, besides ex-poodle Blair, Israel is the only government that publically pretends to be America's friend?
I really don't get what such a selfish nation could see in it for them. |
Egypt and Syria, when they were invading Israel, were more friendly with the USSR. So Israel cuddled up with the US. Half of this is Cold War residuals.
The other half of this is religious influence. Christians share the same God as the Jews. That God promised the Jews a state. If God keeps that promise, that must mean he a) exists, b) will keep the new covenant. American is for better or for worse a Christian nation. |
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ManintheMiddle
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:18 am Post subject: |
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| I really don't get what such a selfish nation could see in it for them. |
Change the presumption from which your question evolved and you might be able to answer it for yourself.
But given your mindset I'm not surprised that you're perplexed.
Ditto for Big Quack. |
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