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Lost



Joined: 29 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:26 pm    Post subject: Korean Spouses Work Hours Reply with quote

Curious..........How long do your Korean Spouses work for at there offices/ businesses? I understand that korean offices/ managers work there staff like slaves and that the current economic down turn really has many workers working longer/ harder hours.

Also ....do any of them receive overtime? vacations over a week a year?

Thanks for your reply's
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kasain



Joined: 25 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know the married couples working at my public school work from 8am to 10pm. no overtime or extra pay m-f. and they work every other saturday. 8-5.
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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreans have very little ability to get any real time off. If you marry a korean woman and you want to actually do something with your time its basically your responsibility to try and get a job that pays enough that she can quit so you can do whatever you want on your time off. Otherwise if you can score big time off, prepare to spend it in korea, because she will only be able to get the same time off once in a blue moon.
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DaeSung



Joined: 05 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's my take -
(I work for a large Korean company at HQ. Including employees of affiliated group companies about between 5,500 and 6,000 people work in our office building.)

On average we send home the busses at 7pm. If one was to ride one of these buses and factor in the hour commute you'd say most employees could be home by 8pm. However not one single person in my group (over 40 people at the moment) rides the bus. Someone rides the bus, I�m just not sure who it is. When I stay late (usually I leave the office by 6:30 because I'm a foreigner and don't care to change my life to the will of corporate Korea), most of the employees are at the office until 8 pm, that�s if they have nothing to do. Many leave around that time to go to business diners with Koreans from other companies or other groups within our company. Either way those guys will not be getting home before 12 if they go out for diner and drinks. Many of the employees do this two or three times a week. If the employee has work to do then they will stay until 10 or 11... and usually past 12 at least once a week.

All employees are encouraged to come out at least once during the weekend.

Employees that are not middle management receive overtime on Saturday if the boss okays it (its a standard payment for all employees 120,000 won). Some boss with require employees to come out and then not approve the overtime, or tell the employee not to register that they came out. Employees are eligible for overtime during the week if they stay past 11pm (company checks when you register for overtime) for a flat rate of 25,000 won (to cover the taxi ride home) again this is if your boss will approve it.

That said... in most cases the same amount of work could be done if everyone worked from 9 to 6. I know I know lots of people will disagree with me, but from where I'm sitting (going on 4 years in a Korean company) in almost all cases better time management would allow for all work to be completed within working hours.

So the short answer your average Korean at our company will be home before 10pm once a week and later the rest of the days. They will go out to eat with friends/co-workers two times a week. They will be at work later than 10 the other 2 days. They will likely come out on either Saturday or Sunday and work half the day.

They will do the same amount of work a productive person can do in 20 or 30 hours a week.

Another thing is most of them don't want to go home as it means they will have to spend time with their family. This post does not apply to senior management.

Hope that helps.
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DaeSung



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh and the vacation. Due to the current economic situation many Korean companies required all employees to use all vacation at the beginning of the year. (Our company gives personal vacation days + national holidays + 4 days summer vacation). Our company wide goal is for employees to use 25% of their vacation (if they don't we now have to pay them for the days at the end of the year, the government has finally started to check this).

Last year, and the last 2 years before that, I used all my vacation. I don't know anyone that used more than 50% of their vacation time.

Sounds kind of strange but when the economy is bad Korean get vacation, to save the company money, and so they don't have to fire people. During the good times most people took about 5 days off during the summer.
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Faunaki



Joined: 15 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My husband's first job - 9-9 maybe 3 days vacation.

Job now - 9-6, one day off a month, 3 days vacation but must put in one 9am-12am a month.
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shaunew



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Calgary

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My wife is a public school teacher. She works 8:30 to 4:30 everyday. Gets a few months off paid per year. Has to work every other Saturday.
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Oreovictim



Joined: 23 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, I don't have a spouse, but my girlfriend is in accounting and works 9:00-6:00, but there are quite a few days where she's stuck at work until 9:00. And for about one month of the year, she's there until midnight and has to go in on the weekends, too. No thanks. It's too early to ask her, but I'm really curious how much she gets paid for that gig.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most Women Quit Work to Get Married
Chosun Ilbo (March 22, 2006)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200603/200603220029.html
Quote:
Six out of 10 working Korean women quit their jobs when they get married, and half of working mothers eventually decide to stay at home after having their first child, a nationwide survey suggests....


54% of Working Moms to Quit Jobs
By Yoon Ja-young, Korea Times (August 1, 2006)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/news_view.asp?newsIdx=2943639
article at the following (scroll down)
http://bbs3.miznet.daum.net/griffin/do/miztalk/miztoc/love/lovetalk/read?bbsId=00001&articleId=603038
Quote:
According to a survey on 1,028 office workers from two-paycheck couples by Career, an online recruiting company, 54 percent of the respondents said either their spouse or themselves would be quitting their job within five years. Only one out of five expected both the spouse and themselves to be working for more than ten years afterward....

However, more than half of them said they wanted to quit the double-income track due to problems in taking care of their kids, while a quarter of them said housework was their biggest hurdle. Korean couples were working to meet the education expenses of their children, but the children were also the primary reason why they were quitting their jobs....

Long Hours Cost Koreans Creativity
By Lee Hyo-sik, Korea Times (August 10, 2008)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/08/123_29085.html
Quote:
South Korea has the longest workweek among the world's industrialized economies. Such hard work has allowed the country to rise from the ashes of the Korean War to become the 13th-largest economy.

Long hours, however, give employees fewer opportunities for self-development, chip away at worker efficiency and creativity, and cost companies billions in lost productivity due to health problems, Samsung Economic Research Institute said Friday in a report....
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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Most Women Quit Work to Get Married ...blah blah

no one cares. Seek professional help, you have a mental illness.
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Fredbob



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: Yongin-Breathing the air-sometimes

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marry a nurse or a medical tech, preferably one who works in a hospital rather than a clinic. My wife works in a hospital, decent time off, rarely has to work past 5:30. At least 2 weeks vacation days, excellent medical benifits, including discounts.

Oh, and a lot of them are pretty interested in foriegn guys:
1- It's a relatively low stress job, most want to keep it after marriage, many Kguys are still not into that.
2- If their English is good enough, they can make sweet dollars if they move out of Korea, at least in the US.

My wife is constantly bugging me to set her friends up with good, marriage material, men.
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Guri Guy



Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Quote:
Most Women Quit Work to Get Married ...blah blah

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no one cares. Seek professional help, you have a mental illness.


More interesting than your stunning analysis Einstein. Wink


Quote:
Long hours, however, give employees fewer opportunities for self-development, chip away at worker efficiency and creativity, and cost companies billions in lost productivity due to health problems, Samsung Economic Research Institute said Friday in a report....


Duh! Are they finally figuring it out? South Korea is like the Borg. Must conform to the hive mind. Creativity and innovative thinking must be squelched.
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NoExplode



Joined: 15 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaeSung wrote:
Here's my take -
(I work for a large Korean company at HQ. Including employees of affiliated group companies about between 5,500 and 6,000 people work in our office building.)

On average we send home the busses at 7pm. If one was to ride one of these buses and factor in the hour commute you'd say most employees could be home by 8pm. However not one single person in my group (over 40 people at the moment) rides the bus. Someone rides the bus, I�m just not sure who it is. When I stay late (usually I leave the office by 6:30 because I'm a foreigner and don't care to change my life to the will of corporate Korea), most of the employees are at the office until 8 pm, that�s if they have nothing to do. Many leave around that time to go to business diners with Koreans from other companies or other groups within our company. Either way those guys will not be getting home before 12 if they go out for diner and drinks. Many of the employees do this two or three times a week. If the employee has work to do then they will stay until 10 or 11... and usually past 12 at least once a week.

All employees are encouraged to come out at least once during the weekend.

Employees that are not middle management receive overtime on Saturday if the boss okays it (its a standard payment for all employees 120,000 won). Some boss with require employees to come out and then not approve the overtime, or tell the employee not to register that they came out. Employees are eligible for overtime during the week if they stay past 11pm (company checks when you register for overtime) for a flat rate of 25,000 won (to cover the taxi ride home) again this is if your boss will approve it.

That said... in most cases the same amount of work could be done if everyone worked from 9 to 6. I know I know lots of people will disagree with me, but from where I'm sitting (going on 4 years in a Korean company) in almost all cases better time management would allow for all work to be completed within working hours.

So the short answer your average Korean at our company will be home before 10pm once a week and later the rest of the days. They will go out to eat with friends/co-workers two times a week. They will be at work later than 10 the other 2 days. They will likely come out on either Saturday or Sunday and work half the day.

They will do the same amount of work a productive person can do in 20 or 30 hours a week.

Another thing is most of them don't want to go home as it means they will have to spend time with their family. This post does not apply to senior management.

Hope that helps.


Korea really needs a slacker/hippy movement, but because of Confucianism, it never will. The above described is more akin to most people's vision of hell.

If I were a Commie, I'd use the daily existence of a Korean worker as motivation to start a Revolution.
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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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More interesting than your stunning analysis Einstein. Wink

Which is factually correct. Korean women who work (at least in seoul) generally don't get any real amount of time off except for a few rare jobs. They work late, often work 6 days, and get almost no vacation. So unless you carefully choose a woman based on her job and ability to get time off, you're probably going to get stuck with someone who isn't that free when you have time off.

his posts are little more than news clipping to try and point out how terrible korea is. Its like 99% of his posts, and half the time they're just cut and paste jobs. I've seen his education one too many times to count.
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movybuf



Joined: 01 Jan 2007
Location: Mokdong

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My wife works as an after school teacher at an elementary school. So she only works a few hours a day.
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