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afsjesse



Joined: 23 Sep 2007
Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:29 pm    Post subject: Will my pipes freeze? Reply with quote

I live in Rural Gyeongbuk and live on the 5th floor of my building.

I have a 2 bedroom apartment and rarely use my ondol. With the cold weather here, I'm a little worried about the pipes freezing. My parents told me they shoudln't since the people beneath me use theirs.

I only use it maybe every 3 days for 2-3 hours at 15C. I am quite warm however. And when I do use it, its only in my livingroom and bedroom. The other rooms are cold.

I also have to haul my own gas in, so if I go on vacation and put in on 10C for 9 days im worried I mght run out of gas and my system will implode.

What are the chances of my pipes freezing? When Im at school, i turn it off also.

Advice?
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Illysook



Joined: 30 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Water freezes at 0 degrees Celsius. So, no. Your pipes will not freeze if you leave your ondol at 10 degrees. I don't think that I would turn it off when the weather is below zero. Even if you do have downstairs neighbors, you are probably asking for trouble.
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afsjesse



Joined: 23 Sep 2007
Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should I hear the whole apartment? Its huge!
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leave your bathroom sink running at a slight trickle and you should be all right.
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I_Am_The_Kiwi



Joined: 10 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

now i've always wondered about this.

I live in a large apartment complex, my gas heater unit is out in the laundry room, which is NEVER heated and there is a vent in the heater cupboard that goes directly outside. now its around -9 today as it has been for sometime, and no pipes have frozen, running into the heating unit is a water pipe that is used for the hot water - and this hasn't frozen, nor is it heated at any point until it gets into the heating unit......interesting.
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sojourner1



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug

PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
Leave your bathroom sink running at a slight trickle and you should be all right.


Darn, I was meaning to do this early this morning before leaving for 5 days. I guess if it hadn't froze up yet with the bathroom door closed, it's not going to freeze unless it get way more colder than last night. My washing machine is froze, but it's a flexible plastic hose.

I left my ondol on the lowest settings just to reduce the chance of busted water pipes.
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afsjesse



Joined: 23 Sep 2007
Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So how does that keep my Ondol pipes from freezing if I live the bathroom sink running?

I know ondol is hot water being pummped in. But I'm clueless to this. I just got home and set the darn thing to 10.

Perhaps i'm overly cautious. I just dont want to bur through the Oil in a week.
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Zulethe



Joined: 04 Jul 2008

PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to live in Alaska where freezing pipes where a definite concern. With your situation, there is absolutely no way your pipes will freeze. You are on the fifth floor of a building with internal plumbing. No worries, shut everything off and enjoy your vacation.
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ondol doesn't have anything to do with the water trickle, actually. This same thing works in homes without ondol. What it does is keep a slow-moving exchange of water in your pipes. Water coming from the ground (from below freezing level in the dirt) is well above freezing, and will melt the ice in your pipes as it trickles through into your house (or at least keep it from freezing completely over.
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Bigfeet



Joined: 29 May 2008
Location: Grrrrr.....

PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like someone said, I wouldn't worry unless you have a lot of exposed, un-insulated pipes.
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Sapa



Joined: 05 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sojourner1 wrote:
Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
Leave your bathroom sink running at a slight trickle and you should be all right.


Darn, I was meaning to do this early this morning before leaving for 5 days. I guess if it hadn't froze up yet with the bathroom door closed, it's not going to freeze unless it get way more colder than last night. My washing machine is froze, but it's a flexible plastic hose.

I left my ondol on the lowest settings just to reduce the chance of busted water pipes.



Our washing machine pipes are also frozen up, how do you go about thawing it out, if it stays under 0C all week will we be stuck without a washing machine?
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sapa wrote:
sojourner1 wrote:
Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
Leave your bathroom sink running at a slight trickle and you should be all right.


Darn, I was meaning to do this early this morning before leaving for 5 days. I guess if it hadn't froze up yet with the bathroom door closed, it's not going to freeze unless it get way more colder than last night. My washing machine is froze, but it's a flexible plastic hose.

I left my ondol on the lowest settings just to reduce the chance of busted water pipes.



Our washing machine pipes are also frozen up, how do you go about thawing it out, if it stays under 0C all week will we be stuck without a washing machine?



Ha. I have been doing something I thought was smart to fix this issue, but ended up breaking our washing machine. The service guy had to come last week. Our machine is on a thin balcony that freezes (current place is a small villa). I was pouring a few buckets of warm water over the hoses going to the machine, and on the machine where the hoses go in. That worked fine to get the water flowing again. Unfortunately, the warm water also cracked the plastic on a valve where the hose hooks in, and I had leaking water. Daewoo came out and fixed it for free (still under warranty). Ha.

Now I unhook the hose during cold spells, letting it drain to keep from freezing. That's a horrible task, though, because I have to shimmy half of my body through a thin kitchen window above the sink (to my waist) and lean down to remove/hook up the hose with one hand. The reason I have to do this is because our washing machine takes up the ENTIRE width of the balcony. Climbing over it is a dangerous proposition, because one wall is entirely glass (nowhere to hold on to). It so tight, in fact, that only one model of one brand in a larger-sized washer would fit on the balcony.
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sojourner1



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug

PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heck yea, pipes are uh freezing. Everything I seen and heard about today is froze up. We're talking whole towns; thousands of people are inconvenienced by a very cold Winter due to primitive conditions in what is supposed to be a developed country. It is developed, but illogically designed and built.

Even the pipes going to and from your hot water boiler will freeze if it's not located in a heated environment and in Korea, it's usually not. Strange and foolish as that is. Shocked

My hot water froze, but the cold water still works. WTF? Is that odd or what?

Pipes to the hot water heater located in a freezing sub 0 cold place are burst with a small pond around it. It's KO'd. I better not be receiving a repair bill for this one. That would be bullshit since the Koreans set this up in the most stupid illogical way.

Why not put a hot water heater in the house on a floor with ondol or heated area? Talk about daft.

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Sapa



Joined: 05 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know what you mean, my washing machine and everyone else's in our building are now frozen and unusable. Why don't they put the damn things inside? What if it is below zero for the next 2 weeks? They live here, surely they know that Korea can get a little cold in the winter?

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Straphanger



Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Chilgok, Korea

PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah uhhh... and don't leave anything on the floor of your veranda while your washer is running unless you make sure the drain is clear by pumping a bucket of hot water down it first. And I mean a BUCKET. If you don't, you'll have a nice slick veranda, even in the modern buildings.
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