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Enigma
Joined: 20 Mar 2008
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:02 pm Post subject: Vacation time at public schools |
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I'm coming into my last few months of my contract at a hagwon, and I'm starting to consider my options for my next contract. I'm considering a public school for a change of pace, and because I like the idea of having more holidays.
I realize it varies from school to school and province to province, but I'd appreciate some input about how many holidays you actually get, and how much notice you're given. The impression I've gotten in Korea so far is that things are left until the last minute, which makes it difficult to arrange flights abroad in advance.
Do many schools have discretionary vacation days (you decide when to take them) or do the schools usually set all of your holidays for you?
I'm not interested in Seoul or Gyeonggi. I'm looking at Gangwondo, Gyeongsangnam, Jeju and the Jeollas.
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xCustomx

Joined: 06 Jan 2006
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: Vacation time at public schools |
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Enigma wrote: |
I realize it varies from school to school and province to province, but I'd appreciate some input about how many holidays you actually get, and how much notice you're given.
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You already answered your own question. Regardless of which school you end up, your school will have a yearly calendar so you will know when all of the vacation periods are. If you're proacticve then you could probably tell your school well in advance of when you want to take your vacation. I just signed my contract for 2009-2010 and I already know all of my vacation dates because I wrote them into the contract. |
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afsjesse

Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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If your looking for max vacation, go to Gangwondo. You get 35 Calendar days. Gyeonggido you get 21 and for 2009 same for Gyeongbuk. I don't know if this is standard for all EPIK POE's now.
I'm getting 7 work day's per my 2008 contract. It'll be abou the same next year as they will count weekends as your vacation.
I'm switching to Gangwon ASAP! |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Location: Korea
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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It's best to book near the time of the lunar New year. By this time most camps are finished and they can't count your holidays as paid vacation. |
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DrOctagon

Joined: 11 Jun 2008 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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I live in Jeju and they don't count holidays or weekends as vacation days here. I also get 3 weeks off in February because my school lets me stay home when I don't have to teach. Then there's all the test days I get off (not everyone gets these perks. You can be one of the lucky ones). For example, finals at my high school are held on the 22-24th of Dec. 25th is Christmas. So if you include the weekend, I have 6 days off in a row. Pretty sweet. Again, it all depends on your school! But a normal EPIK contract gives you 7 days in the winter and 7 days in the summer. They will add days if you volunteer to work in festivals and go to workshops, etc. You get to miss school for these. Then you have things like school foundation day, holidays, field trips, etc. Public schools are really the way to go if you want a lot of time off. |
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English Matt

Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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It does totally depend on the school. Whilst I had heard that Gangwon-do offers a lot of vacation in their contract....I get way more at my GEPIK school. I am on the old contract and therefore have only 14 days vacation....however I get way more. For instance, this winter I finish at 12pm on the 24th December and do not come back to school until 4th February. I would say that I have already had 3 weeks off in the last 6 months, and by the end of my contract I figure I will have had 10 weeks in total.
And yes, it's always given to me at the last minute. I only had my winter vacation confirmed yesterday. |
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Perceptioncheck
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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Here in Chungnam, I'm still waiting to hear about my winter vacation but I am teaching two weeks of winter camp (half days) and don't have to come in when the camps aren't on. Like other posters have said, I'm sure if you ask your co-teacher about your vacation or tell them you need your dates in order to book a ticket, you should generally be okay.
I'd also like to add that not only do public schools vary from province to province but also within cities. Some of the teachers in my city get paid extra for their camps while some do not. Some of the teachers have to teach three weeks of camp while some don't have to teach any. Some teachers have to teach full days while some only have half days.
I mean, do they not think we talk to each other? I think this complete disparity between teachers situations is a massive problem of Epik and they need to get their act together quick-sharp if they want more people to work for them. So OP, if it's that important to you I'd recommend trying to get hired by the school rather than the programme. That way you can probably wrangle a little more vacation time. |
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nomad-ish

Joined: 08 Oct 2007 Location: On the bottom of the food chain
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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OP, i wouldn't go anywhere near seoul or incheon if you're looking for the most possible days off at a public school. it seems like the closer you get to seoul, the crappier the situation (i know this is a generalization of course, but i guess most applicants apply for these areas, so schools feel less pressure to make the position attractive). |
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English Matt

Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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nomad-ish wrote: |
OP, i wouldn't go anywhere near seoul or incheon if you're looking for the most possible days off at a public school. it seems like the closer you get to seoul, the crappier the situation (i know this is a generalization of course, but i guess most applicants apply for these areas, so schools feel less pressure to make the position attractive). |
Respectfully I disagree. There is as much disparity in the rest of the country as there is in Gyeonggi-do and Incheon. I really don't know many people who want to work in Incheon, but the few that I know who work in Ganghwa get treated pretty well, get more pay than SMOE or GEPIK, and have a ton of vacation.
Here in Gyeonggi-do I think I've been quite lucky in many ways, however others have got an even better deal than me. But on the flip-side people have got really rum deals. For instance, a friend of mine works at an elementary school and has to use an hour of vacation time to go to the bank to wire money home; he also gets no extra vacation time and is never allowed to leave even one minute early.
Myself and others are treated very well in GEPIK - heck, one guy I know has his own private ensuite bathroom attached to his office and adjoining massive multimedia enabled classroom.
Whilst SMOE has exploited the fact that people want to live and work in Seoul, by nickeling and diming away at the pay and the benefits, I would say that GEPIK is still pretty solid....even if it does still come down to a roll of the dice (unless you have contacts who can get you in with a school that you know will treat you well). |
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nomad-ish

Joined: 08 Oct 2007 Location: On the bottom of the food chain
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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English Matt wrote: |
nomad-ish wrote: |
OP, i wouldn't go anywhere near seoul or incheon if you're looking for the most possible days off at a public school. it seems like the closer you get to seoul, the crappier the situation (i know this is a generalization of course, but i guess most applicants apply for these areas, so schools feel less pressure to make the position attractive). |
Respectfully I disagree. There is as much disparity in the rest of the country as there is in Gyeonggi-do and Incheon. I really don't know many people who want to work in Incheon, but the few that I know who work in Ganghwa get treated pretty well, get more pay than SMOE or GEPIK, and have a ton of vacation.
Here in Gyeonggi-do I think I've been quite lucky in many ways, however others have got an even better deal than me. But on the flip-side people have got really rum deals. For instance, a friend of mine works at an elementary school and has to use an hour of vacation time to go to the bank to wire money home; he also gets no extra vacation time and is never allowed to leave even one minute early.
Myself and others are treated very well in GEPIK - heck, one guy I know has his own private ensuite bathroom attached to his office and adjoining massive multimedia enabled classroom.
Whilst SMOE has exploited the fact that people want to live and work in Seoul, by nickeling and diming away at the pay and the benefits, I would say that GEPIK is still pretty solid....even if it does still come down to a roll of the dice (unless you have contacts who can get you in with a school that you know will treat you well). |
i did say i was generalizing, of course there will be a few exceptions here and there in GEPIK and SMOE.
as for people in gangwha (that area is pretty remote, i believe they get an isolation bonus for working there so i'm sure the schools are a little more relaxed on vacation days and going home early). gangwha island is about an hour away from incheon city, so 2 hours away from seoul, not close at all. |
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sweetiesmith
Joined: 18 Nov 2008 Location: Bucheon
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:05 am Post subject: |
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English Matt wrote: |
nomad-ish wrote: |
OP, i wouldn't go anywhere near seoul or incheon if you're looking for the most possible days off at a public school. it seems like the closer you get to seoul, the crappier the situation (i know this is a generalization of course, but i guess most applicants apply for these areas, so schools feel less pressure to make the position attractive). |
Respectfully I disagree. There is as much disparity in the rest of the country as there is in Gyeonggi-do and Incheon. I really don't know many people who want to work in Incheon, but the few that I know who work in Ganghwa get treated pretty well, get more pay than SMOE or GEPIK, and have a ton of vacation.
Here in Gyeonggi-do I think I've been quite lucky in many ways, however others have got an even better deal than me. But on the flip-side people have got really rum deals. For instance, a friend of mine works at an elementary school and has to use an hour of vacation time to go to the bank to wire money home; he also gets no extra vacation time and is never allowed to leave even one minute early.
Myself and others are treated very well in GEPIK - heck, one guy I know has his own private ensuite bathroom attached to his office and adjoining massive multimedia enabled classroom.
Whilst SMOE has exploited the fact that people want to live and work in Seoul, by nickeling and diming away at the pay and the benefits, I would say that GEPIK is still pretty solid....even if it does still come down to a roll of the dice (unless you have contacts who can get you in with a school that you know will treat you well). |
What school are you working at? I just decided to go with GEPIK and I am trying to figure out what are some of the best middle schools to work at. |
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