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Rae
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 Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:41 am Post subject: Ajummahood, PETA, and fur |
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More than a decade ago, I used to be pro-PETA. I helped with petitions and branded myself an animal rights activist. I thought that wearing any kind of fur was an evil, evil, thing. Now I'm looking up fur hats to buy for an arctic excursion. What happened? Has my time in Korea seriously changed me so much that I now hate cute little animals?
I know there are many alternatives but to be brutally honest, I've always wanted a fluffy Russian hat. There, I've said it. I never considered it before because I'm from California! There was never any need! Actually, my time in Korea has opened my eyes to some things - for instance, when I first arrived in my boonies, I was disturbed by the wooden Q-Tips they sell locally. It was 1/4 of the price of the plastic ones and having a business background, I didn't understand how that was possible considering that they should be more expensive to make.
Wrong-o. I was stuck in the thinking of large multinational companies and didn't realize that these wooden Q-Tips were made very locally, from scraps of a nearby lumber mill. Why would someone go out of out their way to make them into Q-Tips? Why not? They're a small family run business that needs all the extra income they can get.
I've come to the conclusion that most of the people (not all, but most) that complain (not just promote) about an all righteous lifestyle are pampered sons of bishes with full bellies and have more than lint in their pockets. Most, like myself, couldn't imagine life outside of their own cubby and impose, and judge others that are different.
Is this ajummahood? I should add that the hat will NOT be purchased in Korea.
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:41 am Post subject: |
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All the words I have to say about PETA are banned on this site. I hate them because:
-I love my cats here and my dog back home
-I love eating meat, and so do the aforementioned cats and dog
-I think that Jewish people are not equal to cows or pigs
Screw PETA. There, did that word work? Screw them right in their ear. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:02 am Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
All the words I have to say about PETA are banned on this site. I hate them because:
-I love my cats here and my dog back home
-I love eating meat, and so do the aforementioned cats and dog
-I think that Jewish people are not equal to cows or pigs
Screw PETA. There, did that word work? Screw them right in their ear. |
Explain yourself. Did you misspeak, or did you actually mean to say that you thing Jews are lower than cows or pigs? |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:17 am Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
All the words I have to say about PETA are banned on this site. I hate them because:
-I love my cats here and my dog back home
-I love eating meat, and so do the aforementioned cats and dog
-I think that Jewish people are not equal to cows or pigs
Screw PETA. There, did that word work? Screw them right in their ear. |
Explain yourself. Did you misspeak, or did you actually mean to say that you thing Jews are lower than cows or pigs? |
I think that Jewish people are humans, and their lives are more valuable than the lives of cows or pigs. PETA would disagree with me on that, as they demonstrated in their cruelly retarded campaign "Holocaust on your plate."
Seriously, what did you think PETA's stance on the topic was going to be? Did you think they were going to say something positive about Jews? |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:56 am Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
All the words I have to say about PETA are banned on this site. I hate them because:
-I love my cats here and my dog back home
-I love eating meat, and so do the aforementioned cats and dog
-I think that Jewish people are not equal to cows or pigs
Screw PETA. There, did that word work? Screw them right in their ear. |
Explain yourself. Did you misspeak, or did you actually mean to say that you thing Jews are lower than cows or pigs? |
I think that Jewish people are humans, and their lives are more valuable than the lives of cows or pigs. PETA would disagree with me on that, as they demonstrated in their cruelly retarded campaign "Holocaust on your plate."
Seriously, what did you think PETA's stance on the topic was going to be? Did you think they were going to say something positive about Jews? |
Didn't get what you were saying, since you didn't mention the holocaust in your post. I don't know why PETA would say anything about Jews, they are an animal rights organization. |
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Trip
Joined: 28 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
All the words I have to say about PETA are banned on this site. I hate them because:
-I love my cats here and my dog back home
-I love eating meat, and so do the aforementioned cats and dog
-I think that Jewish people are not equal to cows or pigs
Screw PETA. There, did that word work? Screw them right in their ear. |
Explain yourself. Did you misspeak, or did you actually mean to say that you thing Jews are lower than cows or pigs? |
I think that Jewish people are humans, and their lives are more valuable than the lives of cows or pigs. PETA would disagree with me on that, as they demonstrated in their cruelly retarded campaign "Holocaust on your plate."
Seriously, what did you think PETA's stance on the topic was going to be? Did you think they were going to say something positive about Jews? |
Didn't get what you were saying, since you didn't mention the holocaust in your post. I don't know why PETA would say anything about Jews, they are an animal rights organization. |
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| as they demonstrated in their cruelly retarded campaign "Holocaust on your plate. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
All the words I have to say about PETA are banned on this site. I hate them because:
-I love my cats here and my dog back home
-I love eating meat, and so do the aforementioned cats and dog
-I think that Jewish people are not equal to cows or pigs
Screw PETA. There, did that word work? Screw them right in their ear. |
Explain yourself. Did you misspeak, or did you actually mean to say that you thing Jews are lower than cows or pigs? |
I think that Jewish people are humans, and their lives are more valuable than the lives of cows or pigs. PETA would disagree with me on that, as they demonstrated in their cruelly retarded campaign "Holocaust on your plate."
Seriously, what did you think PETA's stance on the topic was going to be? Did you think they were going to say something positive about Jews? |
Didn't get what you were saying, since you didn't mention the holocaust in your post. I don't know why PETA would say anything about Jews, they are an animal rights organization. |
They were comparing the Holocaust to the meat industry, basically saying the Jews (and others) who were gassed in concentration camps are equally tragic to animals being killed for food. |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I cut ties with PETA a few years ago after supporting them for many years, but that's inconsequential. This is a stupid thread. Many of the policies PETA has that are problematic are common to most animal organizations, including plenty of ultraconservative groups that never get shit for it because they never get in anyone's face. RT, if you think humans are "above" nonhumans, why don't you make an intelligent case for it instead of spouting your usual trollish nonsense? And Rae, no, this isn't ajummahood. Ajummahood is me pushing you into traffic when I see you on the street in your fluffy hat. |
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Bigfeet
Joined: 29 May 2008
Location: Grrrrr.....
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| PETA is a pita. |
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Koveras
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I eat animals for breakfast. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Bramble wrote: |
| RT, if you think humans are "above" nonhumans, why don't you make an intelligent case for it instead of spouting your usual trollish nonsense? |
Does anyone actually think I need to justify why I think Nazis are worse than cattle ranchers? |
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tfunk
Joined: 12 Aug 2006
Location: Dublin, Ireland
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:08 pm Post subject: Re: Ajummahood, PETA, and fur |
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| Rae wrote: |
More than a decade ago, I used to be pro-PETA. I helped with petitions and branded myself an animal rights activist. I thought that wearing any kind of fur was an evil, evil, thing. Now I'm looking up fur hats to buy for an arctic excursion. What happened? Has my time in Korea seriously changed me so much that I now hate cute little animals?
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Some people take moral stances on issues that do not inconvenience them or require them to make any significant changes in their life. You've discovered something about yourself.
Humans are animals. We are a distinguishable type of animal because of our mental capacities. Humans are held in higher esteem because of these capabilities. I understand and agree with this. However, I think that animals have an enormous capacity for the qualitative experience of pain, similar if not the same as humans. They also experience mental 'pain', albeit of different complexity and nature to humans.
If you make a 10 inch slash in the belly of a pig and the belly of a human then they will both experience qualitative pain. The humans physical pain may be accompanied by mental distress etc. of a higher complexity than the pigs but these two experiences are essentially the same - physical pain has a qualitative aspect that is independent of our intelligence.
Animals experience pain similarly to humans. |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| Bramble wrote: |
| RT, if you think humans are "above" nonhumans, why don't you make an intelligent case for it instead of spouting your usual trollish nonsense? |
Does anyone actually think I need to justify why I think Nazis are worse than cattle ranchers? |
You've already said human lives are more valuable than nonhuman lives. I'm waiting to hear what's so special about humans, besides the standard explanation/excuse (i.e., "my invisible imaginary friend in the sky says so"). |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: Ajummahood, PETA, and fur |
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| tfunk wrote: |
| Rae wrote: |
More than a decade ago, I used to be pro-PETA. I helped with petitions and branded myself an animal rights activist. I thought that wearing any kind of fur was an evil, evil, thing. Now I'm looking up fur hats to buy for an arctic excursion. What happened? Has my time in Korea seriously changed me so much that I now hate cute little animals?
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Some people take moral stances on issues that do not inconvenience them or require them to make any significant changes in their life. You've discovered something about yourself.
Humans are animals. We are a distinguishable type of animal because of our mental capacities. Humans are held in higher esteem because of these capabilities. I understand and agree with this. However, I think that animals have an enormous capacity for the qualitative experience of pain, similar if not the same as humans. They also experience mental 'pain', albeit of different complexity and nature to humans.
If you make a 10 inch slash in the belly of a pig and the belly of a human then they will both experience qualitative pain. The humans physical pain may be accompanied by mental distress etc. of a higher complexity than the pigs but these two experiences are essentially the same - physical pain has a qualitative aspect that is independent of our intelligence.
Animals experience pain similarly to humans. |
Everything you say is correct except for the part in bold. We humans are the ones who choose to hold ourselves in higher esteem, and we use our supposedly "special" characteristics as an excuse. Every kind of animal has special abilities. Bats use echolocation to find their way around. Dogs have superior senses of smell and hearing. Cats can climb better than any human. It's bullshit to say that humans are any more special than any other species, or that humanlike qualities are any more valuable than other qualities. |
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Bigfeet
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Hey, we're at the top of the food chain so we get to dictate the rules.  |
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