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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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 Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:34 am Post subject: 21.000won |
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this is basically what teachers are paid .. well thats if you are making 2.6!
if you got screwed for 2.2 you are making 18.000 won an hour..
20bucks an hour... not bad money really just for baby sitting...
are there jobs back home paying 20bucks an hour?
what are average wages back home these days?
telemarketing? customer service? hotel? bar, labouring managing a store?
trade, coooking, postman, what ever..
sure there are taxes and rent to pay...
but Ive been thinking...
lets say 3 million a month x 12 +bonus + sev+ticket
you got 40million won a year... 3.3 a month
of course im not including privates!
NOT EVERY TEACHER MAKES THAT MUCH..
so my question is this..
I guess to make the same money back home with the tax etc..
you would need to make 60k a year right?
and work 9-5 etc.. depending on the job there might be bonuses and commissions....
so my question is this...
Are there jobs back home for uni graduates to make 60k a year?
is it easy to land tomorrow in your home country and land a job paying what you make here... or more..
can half the teachers here on daves make that back home?? |
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Knucklehead
Joined: 06 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:52 am Post subject: Re: 21.000won |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
can half the teachers here on daves make that back home?? |
simple answer: no.
That's why there are so many of 'em here. |
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Rusty Shackleford
Joined: 08 May 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:58 am Post subject: |
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I could easily make what I make now back home, in something like construction or road working and with a tiny bit more school some light to medium metal fabrication. But would be working Monday and Tuesday for the govt and generally being miserable from all the drudgery associated with the west.
The only advantage with back home (NZ) is that yearly wage increases are a lot larger, especially when you get some experience. Here you hit a wall quite early on and theres no way of going any higher or you have to work way harder for a little more gain eg privates.
The whole not gaining experience back home thing worries me a little. |
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sojourner1
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Actually only a tiny few come as hardly no one knows about this opportunity as it's not very well advertised. I stumbled on it by accident when a university career services office offered NOVA Japan interviews which led me to Google it, finding Daves about 3 years ago. The other reason why so few actually come is those who know either can't go due to family and legal obligations or are simply too fearing to make the jump across an ocean.
Are there $60K jobs at home for university graduates? Hardly not. Gen Xer's are struggling while Gen Y'ers are simply out of luck despite being told they are special for being the most educated in the history of the world.
Are there $60K jobs for mid career professionals at home? Very seldom today.
Are millions getting laid off and pinching by? Absolutely yes. 2009 is said to be a terrible year to enter the job market in every field except nursing. Yes, ol' nursing about the only thing calling newbies. Everything else is declining on a macro scale.
Are there $60K jobs for those falling in the more senior league? More so, but not guaranteed as many educated 50 something year olds are suffering mortgage foreclosure and even homelessness. Most of the wealth and good jobs are held by older men for sure who grew up and developed their careers and wealth during more fruitful times. |
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Gaber
Joined: 23 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:15 am Post subject: |
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| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
The only advantage with back home (NZ) is that yearly wage increases are a lot larger, especially when you get some experience. Here you hit a wall quite early on and theres no way of going any higher or you have to work way harder for a little more gain eg privates.
The whole not gaining experience back home thing worries me a little. |
Plus you loose about 1/3rd to tax straight off the bat. But yeah, I'm with you on the experience thing. Kinda just spinning the wheels here |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:26 am Post subject: |
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| Gaber wrote: |
| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
The only advantage with back home (NZ) is that yearly wage increases are a lot larger, especially when you get some experience. Here you hit a wall quite early on and theres no way of going any higher or you have to work way harder for a little more gain eg privates.
The whole not gaining experience back home thing worries me a little. |
loose
Plus youabout 1/3rd to tax straight off the bat. But yeah, I'm with you on the experience thing. Kinda just spinning the wheels here |
I don't think I see a word that is more consistently spelled incorrectly than "lose". |
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Thewhiteyalbum
Joined: 13 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:29 am Post subject: |
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| My girlfriend just sent 5 million won back to N.Z and got $7000 for it. Aza!! |
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Gaber
Joined: 23 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| Gaber wrote: |
| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
The only advantage with back home (NZ) is that yearly wage increases are a lot larger, especially when you get some experience. Here you hit a wall quite early on and theres no way of going any higher or you have to work way harder for a little more gain eg privates.
The whole not gaining experience back home thing worries me a little. |
loose
Plus youabout 1/3rd to tax straight off the bat. But yeah, I'm with you on the experience thing. Kinda just spinning the wheels here |
I don't think I see a word that is more consistently spelled incorrectly than "lose". |
Apologies. Eventually Firefox will implement a preventing loss of face module for its spell checker. Till then I'll just have to let loose and spell sh it as best I can. Still, I think then/than us more common than loose/lose |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| could be. also their/there/they're. |
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Gaber
Joined: 23 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:46 am Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| could be. also their/there/they're. |
Yeah fully, I run a little mental check every time I type any one of them. |
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crsandus
Joined: 05 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:04 am Post subject: |
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| Sure there are jobs that pay $60K for uni grads in engineering. I can't say much for other degrees. |
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ChinaBoy
Joined: 17 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:20 am Post subject: |
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Obviously the OP is no math major.
$60,000 US is about 78,000,000 KRW.
78,000,000 divided into 12 months is 6,500,000 KRW per month.
Bonus and pension? 78,000,000 / 14 is still 5,571,429 KRW per month.
I don't see many jobs offering this.
Let's calculate SMOE's 1,800,000 monthly offer. Add 400,000 for housing. Pension & severance all total 30,800,000 KRW (about $23,692 USD).
The cost of daily necessities like meat, bread, and vegetables is shocking in Korea. |
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Straphanger
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Chilgok, Korea
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| ChinaBoy wrote: |
| The cost of daily necessities like meat, bread, and vegetables is shocking in Korea. |
Dude, where are you shopping? I can get a full rack of pork ribs for 6000W... Fresh bread is 2000W a loaf, 2500 for the multi-grain stuff, 1800 for a baguette. Now pears are quite spendy - I just paid 2500W for a massive pear as a gift for one of my classes, and the apples weren't cheap either, but I spent 15,000W at the market and got 8 good sized potatoes, 7 kiwis, 7 onions (estimates...), more than a quart of cherry tomatoes, two apples, and a massive 배. I'm not entirely sure how you'd pull that off back home.
Unless you're buying your meat, bread, and vegetables in a supermarket... Please, tell me you're not that gullible. |
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Rusty Shackleford
Joined: 08 May 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| Straphanger wrote: |
| ChinaBoy wrote: |
| The cost of daily necessities like meat, bread, and vegetables is shocking in Korea. |
Dude, where are you shopping? I can get a full rack of pork ribs for 6000W... Fresh bread is 2000W a loaf, 2500 for the multi-grain stuff, 1800 for a baguette. Now pears are quite spendy - I just paid 2500W for a massive pear as a gift for one of my classes, and the apples weren't cheap either, but I spent 15,000W at the market and got 8 good sized potatoes, 7 kiwis, 7 onions (estimates...), more than a quart of cherry tomatoes, two apples, and a massive 배. I'm not entirely sure how you'd pull that off back home.
Unless you're buying your meat, bread, and vegetables in a supermarket... Please, tell me you're not that gullible. |
I have to say that the price of every day items, in general, is quite high in Korea. However, the price of services is very low. That is the difference I think. For instance, a meal in a restaurant or getting something delivered is very inexpensive. Mind you, I do shop in supermarkets a lot. Maybe I should hit up the markets more. One thing I can think of that is especially cheap here, is strawberrys. An especially labor intensive fruit. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:51 am Post subject: |
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Korea: Education at a Glance 2008:
OECD Indicators--Indicator D3: How much are teachers paid?
(Note: in equivalent USD converted using PPPs)
--Primary education--
Starting Salary: 30,528
Salary after 15 years experience: 52,666
Salary at the top of the scale: 84,262
Ratio of salary after 15 years of experience to GDP per capita: 2.29
--Secodary education--
Starting Salary: 30,405
Salary after 15 years experience: 52,543
Salary at the top of the scale: 84,139
Ratio of salary after 15 years of experience to GDP per capita: 2.28
Table D3.1. Teachers' salaries (2006)--Annual statutory teachers' salaries in public institutions at starting salary, after 15 years of experience and at the top of the scale by level of education, in equivalent USD converted using PPPs
Last updated: 04-Sep-2008
Excel File for download: http://ocde.p4.siteinternet.com/publications/doifiles/962008041P1G025.xls
Main Website address: http://www.oecd.org/document/9/0,3343,en_2649_39263238_41266761_1_1_1_1,00.html
Teachers' salaries -- From The Economist (Sep 27th 2007)
http://www.economist.com/markets/indicators/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9867632
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| Teaching in Turkey and South Korea has a very high status, with earnings more than double the average income per head.... |
Teacher Labor Markets in Developed Countries: The Future of Children
http://www.futureofchildren.org/information2850/information_show.htm?doc_id=470797
image link: http://www.futureofchildren.org/doc_img/470797.gif
Teachers in Korea have guaranteed tenure until they reach the mandatory retirement age.
Attracting, Developing and Retaining Effective Teachers
Country Note: Korea
John Coolahan, Paulo Santiago, Rowena Phair and Akira Ninomiya
Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, Directorate for Education, Education and Training Policy Division
http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/26/49/31690991.pdf |
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