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U.S. involment in Japan and Korea.

 
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Ronald



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:19 pm    Post subject: U.S. involment in Japan and Korea. Reply with quote

Just curious, how long would it take Korea, Japan, and China to be at war if the U.S. abruptly left?
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afsjesse



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the north collapsed, I don't think it would take very long to go to war with Korea. But I don't see a scenario why they would go to war with Japan, unless they just want to take it over. Plus Japan had virtually no military except its "National Guard".
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sjrm



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, Korea is still technically at war with itself, but I'm sure someone will colonize Korea within a year.
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caniff



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

afsjesse wrote:
If the north collapsed, I don't think it would take very long to go to war with Korea. But I don't see a scenario why they would go to war with Japan, unless they just want to take it over. Plus Japan had virtually no military except its "National Guard".


Although Japan has a Constitutional provision barring any military action other that for self-defense, they have one of the largest military budgets in the world (#5, according to Wikipedia), and very advanced weaponry (although relatively few active service members).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_capabilities

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

Japan's military, if mobilized, would most definitely not be a push-over. That's why China, Korea, etc. still closely watch Japan's military policy. They know their history.

(edit: Jeebus, look at the US's military expenditures compared to the rest of the world. No wonder we're going broke.)


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michaelambling



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

afsjesse wrote:
If the north collapsed, I don't think it would take very long to go to war with Korea. But I don't see a scenario why they would go to war with Japan, unless they just want to take it over. Plus Japan had virtually no military except its "National Guard".


The north already has collapsed, pretty much, hasn't it?
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T-J



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old joke in the U.S. military is that the U.S. is not in Korea to defend it from an attack from the North, but rather to prevent S. Korea from attacking Japan.

Jokes usually have a spigot of truth to them.
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caniff



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, after scrolling down on that link I see that NK wins in the percentage of its GDP spent on the military at 22%. Way to go, guys. The US is still only under about 5% of its GDP, so we've got a lot of catching up to do.

Anybody wanna buy a North Korean soldiers? He's short, so he won't take up much room, but he might require western-style toilet training.


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afsjesse



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haven't studied Japan since the 7th grade! Embarassed

So it can have a military, just not attack anyone legally haha.

So if it was just South Korea and Japan, who would win do you think?
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caniff



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

afsjesse wrote:
Haven't studied Japan since the 7th grade! Embarassed

So it can have a military, just not attack anyone legally haha.

So if it was just South Korea and Japan, who would win do you think?


Depends. If war suddenly broke out, I'd say Korea could mobilize its force more quickly, but if Japan was given some preparation time I'd say they'd hand Korea its own ass.

That's just my hunch based on my limited research, but as I'm a gambling man that's where I'd lay my money.
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visitorq



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ Japan's military is mobilized and would absolutely hand Korea its ass. Japan's navy is more advanced and nearly double the size of Korea's; neither country could really effectively 'invade' the other on land, but Japan would own the seas.

In fact, Japan's navy would trounce the rest of Asia's combined.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know how they'd do in a war against anyone, but 9 out of 10 of my students are the kind you want to pick up and hug, they're so cute.
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Guri Guy



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

South Korea would get its ass kicked in any naval battle, and they would need to fight one in order to invade Japan.

Japan may have a pacifist constitution but they are no pushovers.
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aka Dave



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All these countries exist to sell Americans electronic products and they know it. They aren't going to war. What's the upside?
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sojusucks



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That all depends upon China. Given its past, Japan might hestitate with another invasion.

China has control over the North and if they tell the Northern leader no, he will probably listen but I can't think of any reason why China would say no at the moment.
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