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Surprise your camp is twice as large than what we told you
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sojourner1



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug

PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:35 am    Post subject: Surprise your camp is twice as large than what we told you Reply with quote

I was prepared for 15 students, but got almost 30. This left me totally unprepared yesterday morning by not having enough copies of my materials made up on hand. 14 walked in at the very last minute and I felt a bit overwhelmed as I realized something was amiss at that moment. The camp director and interns attitude were cold as ice during the 1st hour as I prepared doing my setup 1 hour before the 1st class. I tried to warm them up on a cold morning, but they were unthawable. This made my stomach sink with a frog in my throat. Of course, you get the same thing almost every time you 1st meet Koreans, becuase you got to get to know them, before they open up.

I was told last week in our meeting that I would have 15 and also given a schedule that now means nothing. When he said I didn't prepare for 29, because I forgot what he said, I lost it and blew a gasket. I dam well know what they specifically told me, laid out on paper, and reiterated several times with me during last weeks meeting. When I threw a fit by showing a bit of anger to the camp director in a direct assertive manner, I asked him several times to my point loud and clear, "Why did't you tell me? It wouldn't be a problem if you told me by last Friday as you have my phone number and email, then I'd been ready. I really put a lot of effort into preparing and now you bungled your English camp. I'm about to walk out on you as I'm very insulted and angry as you didn't do this to the teacher who taught for you last week, because I was here for 1 day and seen how he had the 13 students he was told about ahead of time."

I raised my voice to make my point clear. The Koreans are never going to know how to work internationally unless they're told how to do business. I also always expected more input from the Koreans to better understand what they want and how to better work with them, but they seem to hide what they know and feel insecure about speaking with the foreigners they invited who voluntarily came to Korea. Now him and our 2 college interns who are going to be teachers clearly better understand how to work with westerners in that they could and very well should put out the info they know on their plans and job specifics.

Why does Korea not communicate and tell us what they know? Language barrier is not the full answer although basic honest communication is a challenge at times. Since we volunteered to go, it's obvious we're open minded and seeking all the relevant info we can get in order to do the right things and have a good working cultural exchange relationship. I'm not having a the cultural exchange experience I always so wanted in life, because they don't want to tell me anything such as things I should know like job specifics. Being that I'm less than happy in Korea, I am leaving this year. It's really too bad I don't enjoy the school food and Korean culture, because Koreans are actually pretty nice people when it comes down to it as I haven't seen anyone very mean and destructive in any way, shape, or form; just annoying. It's a good job as it pays, puts you up, and even feeds you at times as well as giving you lots of time off, but I guess I need to go do something else in life. Still yet to find my calling.

He did run to a school for the copies I needed and we got started a half hour late. They apologized and the class is going very well for me.
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agoodmouse



Joined: 20 Dec 2007
Location: Anyang

PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sojourner1 wrote:
Why does Korea not communicate and tell us what they know? Language barrier is not the full answer although basic honest communication is a challenge at times.


In this case, I suspect it has much to do with a culture of not owning up to one's responsibilities, and thus willfully denying oneself any measure of authenticity.
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sobriquet



Joined: 16 Feb 2007
Location: Nakatomi Plaza

PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you and fromtheuk are very similar.
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antoniothegreat



Joined: 28 Aug 2005
Location: Yangpyeong

PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i cant explain why they do it. but if it bothers you that much, leave class and go do your copies, starting late, and take that time out of class time (so you are getting paid for it) when you leave, tell them that you were told there would be 13 students and you must now change your plans since you were given bad info.

this will make you feel better, and make them look like retards, as well as kind of punish them for their idiocy. make sure you tell the students why you had to start late, that way they cant blame you
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sojourner1



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sobriquet wrote:
you and fromtheuk are very similar.


What is this supposed to mean?

Hey maybe fromtheuk is experiencing the same things since he sees the same shite I see. Maybe Korea is throwing the same shite at me as they are him/her? I'm not daft, Korea is what it is. You can have it. I don't know much about you as you don't post or contribute much, but I assume you have a situation where they consider and think about basic things you'd pissed if you're boss forgot about so you don't know or think about why we're bitching about the lack of communication.
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D.D.



Joined: 29 May 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find usually half the kids turn up the first day but they bring a friend so it all evens out. The numbers taper off as the camp goes on. The more I get them to talk the less they show up.
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sojourner1



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

D.D. wrote:
I find usually half the kids turn up the first day but they bring a friend so it all evens out. The numbers taper off as the camp goes on. The more I get them to talk the less they show up.


Are you talking about a camp where they home every day? The camp I'm talking about is a 9 to 9 active day where the kids are sleeping in the classroom. They can't not just show up today or tomorrow, becuase they're already there. I've had no one drop out nor do I want them to, but know that 1 or 2 will be get sick. In another camp where they were bused in each morning, their numbers did taper off to almost half of the starting number.
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espoir



Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Incheon, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sounds like my winter camp that was supposed to start on monday. except instead of double the students showing up, 100% didn't show up. Yea nothing like standing around with a few hundred pages of completed lessons that I worked my ass off for, only to find out that the school just put random kids into my winter camp who were already signed up for other winter camps and didn't bother telling the students that. So on day 3 they finally tell me camp is cancelled, gotta love organisation!!
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Rusty Shackleford



Joined: 08 May 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

espoir wrote:
That sounds like my winter camp that was supposed to start on monday. except instead of double the students showing up, 100% didn't show up. Yea nothing like standing around with a few hundred pages of completed lessons that I worked my ass off for, only to find out that the school just put random kids into my winter camp who were already signed up for other winter camps and didn't bother telling the students that. So on day 3 they finally tell me camp is cancelled, gotta love organisation!!


That really sucks. You have to blow a gasket over this one. Same thing happened to me. I got my role for the camp ages ago. I knew it had a heap of fake names on it 'cos I knew some of the students and when I talked to them they said they were going on holiday or had hogwan in the winter break.

Thankfully my coteach rang me on new years eve to say they were cancelling camp (school is being renovated, I think). Showed up today just to be sure and it seems to be true.
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mistermasan



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

they doubled your class size. did they double your pay?


me? i know my camp starts next monday. where? how many? what level? golden questions all...
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D.D.



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No students sounds awesome. Last year I had two camps back to back so when half the students dropped out I just put them all in the morning camp and went home early.

But no students is even better.
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Korussian



Joined: 15 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistermasan wrote:
they doubled your class size. did they double your pay?


me? i know my camp starts next monday. where? how many? what level? golden questions all...


I asked those questions about 5 or 6 times in the month leading up to winter camp, and got them to a sign-off on a student-maximum. Of course, the first 5 times the answer was, "the schedule is not set", but if you keep asking there's a 50% chance they'll tell you the details at least a day in advance of the morning you're supposed to teach.

I insisted that there would be no more than 25 students for me to teach sans co-teacher.

12 signed up.

On the first day I had 9. They found out that we'd actually be talking, writing, and presenting, rather than, say, watching "Friends" with subtitles.

On the second day I had 4. They found out that we'd be making our own interview blogs & interviewing people in the community for content.

Now I have a consistent 3.

It was annoying having to reorganize and pare down my lesson plan from 25 students to 3, but it's a joy to teach these three.
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sojourner1



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistermasan wrote:
they doubled your class size. did they double your pay?


me? i know my camp starts next monday. where? how many? what level? golden questions all...


Nope they didn't. I too asked many times during December and January all the job specifics and finally got answers in a meeting last week, but it turned out that none of info is correct. There isn't even a Korean teacher present, but 2 interns do a little translation to better communicate to the students what I'm saying to they help. All the director does is take pictures, chills out, and drive me in the morning and evening.

I'm glad Friday is getting closer. I'm very tired.
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Ramen



Joined: 15 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me think one of the FTs failed to show for the camp for some reason so they ended up doubling up your class. You should've definitely asked for more doe.
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ramen wrote:
You should've definitely asked for more doe.


More doe bigger bucks, same same. Make it a hunting camp.
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