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cj1976
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 Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:01 am Post subject: The Dalai Lama: Tyrant or not? |
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I was chatting to a co-worker who happens to be a fan of the DL. She said he was an incredible man who was a benefit to mankind.
I've heard that before he was exiled from Tibet, he and his fellow monk buddies ruled the place with an iron fist, committing various atrocities.
Has anyone else heard this about him?
I just want to know the truth about him before I can agree with co-worker. |
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Beeyee
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:02 am Post subject: |
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| Paid CIA asset. |
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Jake.K
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:07 am Post subject: |
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| that's very interesting. Anybody have sources for this? |
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RACETRAITOR
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kotakji
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Well I'm not sure about his monk buddies, but it would be hard to blame a 14 year old for an iron fist rule. |
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cj1976
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Platinumrose
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| He actually doesn`t support Tibetan independence. He wants the right of Tibetans to elect their own Dalai Lama without interference from Beijing. Beijing is not ready to grant total religious independence to anyone from Catholics to Tibetan Buddhists. |
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Jati
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Platinumrose wrote: |
| He actually doesn`t support Tibetan independence. He wants the right of Tibetans to elect their own Dalai Lama without interference from Beijing. Beijing is not ready to grant total religious independence to anyone from Catholics to Tibetan Buddhists. |
Wasn't Tibet a feudal society under Tibetan Buddhist rule? |
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jajdude
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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I heard that Mr. Lama is quite a player and gets the ladies with a mere wink.
Why else would one shave his head and put on a bathrobe? |
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Girlygirl
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| Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:59 am Post subject: |
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| He didn't get the Nobel Peace Prize for being a tyrant. Don't ask the Chinese for their opinion.....they hate him. |
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RACETRAITOR
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| Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 5:34 am Post subject: |
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| Platinumrose wrote: |
| He actually doesn`t support Tibetan independence. He wants the right of Tibetans to elect their own Dalai Lama without interference from Beijing. Beijing is not ready to grant total religious independence to anyone from Catholics to Tibetan Buddhists. |
I wasn't aware you could vote for reincarnation. |
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EzeWong
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| Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 7:22 am Post subject: |
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| Girlygirl wrote: |
| He didn't get the Nobel Peace Prize for being a tyrant. Don't ask the Chinese for their opinion.....they hate him. |
Actually, China granted peace talks with the Dalai Llama and agreed that he could return and maintain his religious standing as long as he would not participate in politics.
But he refused on a number of occasions.
The Chinese don't like religion but by the same token they understand the importance of treating him like a religious figure for the sake of the citizens and international relations.
Honestly, this makes him look like a tyrant... I don't care what crazy ass PR tricks he pulls with America... It's just like Falun Gong where the US only hears one side of the story and they are quick to jump on the bandwagon calling China the meglomanic evil nation trying to kill innocent people. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, the Falun Gong are freaks.
When I was in China I was surprised at how noticeable religion was there. |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 4:09 am Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
I was chatting to a co-worker who happens to be a fan of the DL. She said he was an incredible man who was a benefit to mankind.
I've heard that before he was exiled from Tibet, he and his fellow monk buddies ruled the place with an iron fist, committing various atrocities.
Has anyone else heard this about him?
I just want to know the truth about him before I can agree with co-worker. |
It's true that, before the Chinese invasion and occupation, Tibet was a tyrannical, feudal theocracy with slaves owned, and atrocities committed, by those in power. It's also true that the current Dalai Lama was a mere fifteen years old when he formally became his country's leader, a month after his country had been invaded by China. He acknowledged that the old system was bad and had instituted key reforms like removal of debt inheritance before the Chinese invaded in 1951.
It's from the notorious rense.com.
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| Platinumrose wrote: |
| He actually doesn`t support Tibetan independence. He wants the right of Tibetans to elect their own Dalai Lama without interference from Beijing. Beijing is not ready to grant total religious independence to anyone from Catholics to Tibetan Buddhists. |
I wasn't aware you could vote for reincarnation. |
Perhaps the word "elect" was a poor choice. Tibetans want to discover who the next Dalai Lama is on their own, by finding the child who is most similar to the last Dalai Lama. They don't want the Chinese government to choose the next Dalai Lama.
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| Girlygirl wrote: |
| He didn't get the Nobel Peace Prize for being a tyrant. Don't ask the Chinese for their opinion.....they hate him. |
Actually, China granted peace talks with the Dalai Llama and agreed that he could return and maintain his religious standing as long as he would not participate in politics.
But he refused on a number of occasions.
The Chinese don't like religion but by the same token they understand the importance of treating him like a religious figure for the sake of the citizens and international relations.
Honestly, this makes him look like a tyrant... I don't care what crazy ass PR tricks he pulls with America...[1] It's just like Falun Gong where the US only hears one side of the story and they are quick to jump on the bandwagon calling China the meglomanic evil nation trying to kill innocent people.[2] |
Numbers are mine.
1. What "crazy ass PR tricks" are you referring to? Just because he's a celebrity does not mean that he's sought attention. And even if he has, would you classify the things that Gandhi did for his people's independence as "crazy ass PR tricks"?
2. Actually, they did kill a lot of innocent Tibetans. (See here)
Credible estimates range from 87,000 to half-a-million. Considering that Tibet's population at the time was about 1,273,969, that's devastating. |
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Girlygirl
Joined: 31 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| EzeWong wrote: |
| Girlygirl wrote: |
| He didn't get the Nobel Peace Prize for being a tyrant. Don't ask the Chinese for their opinion.....they hate him. |
Actually, China granted peace talks with the Dalai Llama and agreed that he could return and maintain his religious standing as long as he would not participate in politics.
But he refused on a number of occasions.
The Chinese don't like religion but by the same token they understand the importance of treating him like a religious figure for the sake of the citizens and international relations.
Honestly, this makes him look like a tyrant... I don't care what crazy ass PR tricks he pulls with America... It's just like Falun Gong where the US only hears one side of the story and they are quick to jump on the bandwagon calling China the meglomanic evil nation trying to kill innocent people. |
He might have used his religious beliefs to get other world leaders for political support, that doesn't make him a tyrant. Anyone who is using his religious beliefs to create betterment for his own people and not for his own selfish greed of power, is not a tyrant in my book. It seems that other world leaders do agree and support him, except the Chinese communist regime. What does that say about the Chinese government?
Please don't tell me you believe Gandhi and Mother Teresa are tyrants too. |
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