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What's The Best Teaching Job For A Non-Teacher?

 
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marcm



Joined: 13 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:01 pm    Post subject: What's The Best Teaching Job For A Non-Teacher? Reply with quote

Hi- I'm considering taking an ESL job in Korea. I am overwhelmed with deciding where to live and what kind of position to look for. Probably my biggest concern right now is that I have no teaching education, certificates or experience. I do not want a responsibility I am not up to.

What is the best type of posting someone on my position to look for? Public school or private? Would younger students be a better place to start, maybe even kindergarten?

I'm about to submit a SMOE application and I have also responded to some private school emails. Any input will be appreciated, even advice off the topic of my main question.

BTW- I'm old- don't even ask. I already lost a posting with a private in Bundang because of my age.

Thanks.............mm
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fromtheuk



Joined: 31 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go for a public school. If you're 55 or over I think EPIK (one public school program) won't accept your application.

I'm 35 with GEPIK (another public school program, near Seoul). I have heard of people in their 60's working for GEPIK.

Try GEPIK, I'd advise whatever you choose, try a public school. You won't need to worry about getting paid with a public school job, regardless of what kind of experience you have.
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Colorado



Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Location: Public School with too much time on my hands.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:23 pm    Post subject: Re: What's The Best Teaching Job For A Non-Teacher? Reply with quote

marcm wrote:
Probably my biggest concern right now is that I have no teaching education, certificates or experience. I do not want a responsibility I am not up to.


I think that's a legitimate concern.
What makes you think you are up to the responsibility of being a teacher here?
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Ramen



Joined: 15 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fromtheuk wrote:
Go for a public school. If you're 55 or over I think EPIK (one public school program) won't accept your application.
I'm 35 with GEPIK (another public school program, near Seoul). I have heard of people in their 60's working for GEPIK.

Try GEPIK, I'd advise whatever you choose, try a public school. You won't need to worry about getting paid with a public school job, regardless of what kind of experience you have.


I've seen 62 year old guy teaching at a PS. He was with EPIK.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you don't want to make lesson plans (ps jobs all require lesson planning last I heard) then go to a franchise hagwon, one with a set in-house curriculum of books, teaching aids, multimedia.

All you'd have to do is have the students go through the books. Everything is clearly laid out and easy to follow.

My first hagwon job here was a franchise place and they seemed to just want someone to say hi and push computer screen buttons and check homework. Unlike what you say, I actually wanted responsibility, so I immediately told them I won't be using the computer and would be supplementing the two texts with lessons of my own, which slowed down their system, but they accommodated and it worked out. The teacher who had my job before me did pretty much no prep, was a t-shirt and jeans slacker who loved the lack of responsibility of the franchise system.

Your call. Those kinds of jobs are out there, and might make it easier if teaching isn't your thing but you want the pay and apartment and year overseas.
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mayorgc



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I say go to a PS with gepik. I had the exact same worries that you did. except i'm 25. i had a ton of support from the korean teachers though, so hopefully, youll get support too. i don't do too much too. lots of repetition and just convo with the kids.
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marcm



Joined: 13 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never said I don't want responsibility. I said I do not want a responsibility with requirements I cannot meet.
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marcm



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Colorado wrote:
[/quote]I think that's a legitimate concern.
What makes you think you are up to the responsibility of being a teacher here?
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Thanks. I think so too. I stated my teaching qualifications, none. I don't even understand why all these non teachers are being hired. I suppose they just want language immersion and interaction with native speakers and not people to teach much writing, grammar, etc. Don't really know. Not my call. The Korean government, school boards, and private schools want to hire people with no teaching qualifications. Either they all know what they are doing and they are getting what they they want or it is a national fubar. They are way more qualified to know what is appropriate than me. Anyway I want the work. Again, it's their call not mine. They will just hire another non-teacher if not me.

If it works great. For my part I want to avoid requesting a placement that I am impossibly not up to or will be overly stressful.
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marcm



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Colorado wrote:
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I think that's a legitimate concern.
What makes you think you are up to the responsibility of being a teacher here?


Thanks. I think so too. I stated my teaching qualifications, none. I don't even understand why all these non teachers are being hired. I suppose they just want language immersion and interaction with native speakers and not people to teach much writing, grammar, etc. Don't really know. Not my call. The Korean government, school boards, and private schools want to hire people with no teaching qualifications. Either they all know what they are doing and they are getting what they they want or it is a national fubar. They are way more qualified to know what is appropriate than me. Anyway I want the work. Again, it's their call not mine. They will just hire another non-teacher if not me.

If it works great. For my part I want to avoid requesting a placement that I am impossibly not up to or will be overly stressful.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't sweat it, OP. Korea gets what it pays for, and it doesn't pay for experience or education degrees. If a bunch of non-education related BA holders can come on over, set up shop, and get by, then so can you. In many cases, even just a bit of maturity in a faculty lounge is most welcome.
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marcm



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the encouragement. That said I am right to think that the younger the easier for someone with no teaching experience?

Also from the responses, it sounds like public school may be less demanding. Is not having any other foreign teachers a big negative?
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's great to have questions, but you have to draw the line somewhere. The simple fact is that the English teaching jobs as they exist in Korea now do not require any specific background in English or in education. Thousands of people have taught over here and have either stayed on the capitalize on the market, or have moved back to their home countries to pick up a successful career in a non-education related sector.

If you want to enjoy your experience here short term, shoot for a job with housing, fewer contact teaching hours, NO split shifts, more vacation, and better pay. Get over to Thailand, the Philippines, Vietnam, Laos, China, HK, or where ever floats your boat while you're here, too, and make the most out of it.
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marcm



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you want to enjoy your experience here short term, shoot for a job with housing, fewer contact teaching hours, NO split shifts, more vacation, and better pay. Get over to Thailand, the Philippines, Vietnam, Laos, China, HK, or where ever floats your boat while you're here, too, and make the most out of it.

I certainly can't find fault with that statement. I would like all of it.

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It's great to have questions, but you have to draw the line somewhere.

So where did I cross the line? Should I not be concerned about what grade level I teach? Is high school no more demanding than elementary or kindy? Likewise for private vs public? Sounds like you're saying my concerns are unwarranted and I should not bother with them.
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marcm wrote:


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It's great to have questions, but you have to draw the line somewhere.

So where did I cross the line? Should I not be concerned about what grade level I teach? Is high school no more demanding than elementary or kindy? Likewise for private vs public? Sounds like you're saying my concerns are unwarranted and I should not bother with them.


Whatever you do, DON'T work in a public middle school. No help with class planning from anyone. I imagine high schools are similar. Very very stressful for people with no experience and a strong awareness of how little they know about education.

I haven't heard about too many difficult experiences in public elementary though. The complaints I have heard were not about the classes but were about arsehole admin and/or coworkers which can happen in any job.
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