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xCustomx
Joined: 06 Jan 2006
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 Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:37 pm Post subject: Loss of benefits when renewing PS contract |
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This year I have quite a bit of vacation time compared to the normal GEPIK contract. I'm in the midst of negotiations with my VP and he wants to take that vacation time away so that I can work at the city sponsored English camps, in addition to the English camp that I already teach at my school.
I offered to teach 2 extra classes next year, plus 4 after school classes, so I would have 28 teaching hours per week. And now the VP wants to take vacations away so I can do MORE teaching. WTH!?
I told my co-teacher that I'll teach the English camp at my school. But I also said that when employees have more experience, their benefits usually get better, not worse. I told her, "If the VP wants me to work at city sponsored English camps during the break, in addition to the camp at school, then I'll quit." I'm not about to take this crap. I offered to teach more classes and run an after school program to help students who are trying to get into foreign language high schools, and I get repaid by losing vacation time? Great logic  |
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Easter Clark
Joined: 18 Nov 2007
Location: Hiding from Yie Eun-woong
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| It seems to be a trend at public schools--"You want to renew? Fine. Here's how we're going to get even more from you next year!" |
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xCustomx
Joined: 06 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Easter Clark wrote: |
| It seems to be a trend at public schools--"You want to renew? Fine. Here's how we're going to get even more from you next year!" |
I don't mind doing more work, but I should be compensated for it. The normal rate for OT is 20,000won/hour. I told my school that if more than 10 students register for the after school class then I should be paid 2,000won a student, per hour. If I can get 15 or 20 students in the class then I could be making some decent money (for a PS). I'm not about to do a bunch of extra work for free though, which is why I told them that I'd quit before I'd work another English camp. |
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fromtheuk
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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You've made the mistake of thinking you're a valued 'professional'. Now you've taken on so much, they may be trying to see how much extra rubbish they can give you in the hope you will gladly accept it.
This time they want to reduce your extra vacation time to see if you're a willing slave.
I would honestly suggest you change school if they reduce your extra perks.
I always do the bare minimum and act like they should be grateful for it. And it seems to work.  |
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xCustomx
Joined: 06 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| fromtheuk wrote: |
You've made the mistake of thinking you're a valued 'professional'. Now you've taken on so much, they may be trying to see how much extra rubbish they can give you in the hope you will gladly accept it.
This time they want to reduce your extra vacation time to see if you're a willing slave.
I would honestly suggest you change school if they reduce your extra perks. |
I told them that I'd quit if they expected me to work at another camp and take my vacation away. Lo and behold, I found out a few minutes ago that I won't have to work at the camp, and I can keep my vacation time.
They are trying to pile on more work, but I'd rather walk away than get walked on and accept their offer. |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| How about pay raise and extra vacation? |
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xCustomx
Joined: 06 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Ramen wrote: |
| How about pay raise and extra vacation? |
I'll get the standard 100k pay raise, up to 2.5, which is the GEPIK limit.
I teach 1 week in summer and 1 week in winter, so I think I'm doing pretty good for vacation time. I could always ask to elminate camps, but I think that'd be pushing it. |
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fromtheuk
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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You've got a shiny TESOL certificate (not as shiny as mine, but shiny nonetheless). I would carefully gauge whether they are going to pile on work for your next contract in other ways.
I trust my instincts which are usually quite good.
If you have good instincts and you sense stress ahead go somewhere else.
I am thinking about moving schools, because I currently get no extra benefits. But I may even stay one more year. Why?
My Principal isn't interested in what I do, as long as I show up. Unlike some of the public schools my Korean colleagues have no influence over the Principal, because he treats everybody like children.
So, if he decided to renew my contract again, my vacation time will increase automatically from 14 to 20 working days, as will my pay from 2.1 to 2.3. Therefore, to stay one more year means I'll get all of the standard benefits I will get wherever I am for the next contract.
I shall wait and see. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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My Principal isn't interested in what I do, as long as I show up. Unlike some of the public schools my Korean colleagues have no influence over the Principal, because he treats everybody like children.
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And then after you renew, your principal takes off to take a job somewhere else, and a tightass comes in.
I know a lot of people who were in a VERY nice position and renewed thinking everything was going to be great.
Then change happens. Whether it be a new principal, new VP, new coteachrs, or whatever. Their cushy job goes stirght to hell and they have a whole year to look forward too. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:33 am Post subject: |
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| so that I can work at the city sponsored English camps |
What is this? |
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moosehead
Joined: 05 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:34 am Post subject: |
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| fromtheuk wrote: |
My Principal isn't interested in what I do, as long as I show up. Unlike some of the public schools my Korean colleagues have no influence over the Principal, because he treats everybody like children.
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And then after you renew, your principal takes off to take a job somewhere else, and a tightass comes in.
I know a lot of people who were in a VERY nice position and renewed thinking everything was going to be great.
Then change happens. Whether it be a new principal, new VP, new coteachrs, or whatever. Their cushy job goes stirght to hell and they have a whole year to look forward too. |
yeah, my principal retired, then my coteach moved up and they replaced her with a regular teacher who NEVER TAUGHT E BEFORE - but always wanted to!! go figure -
things can change a LOT mid-season -
and you'll never be told any of it until the day of - |
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nebraska1
Joined: 06 Jan 2008
Location: Judge, Some people just need killin!
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| fromtheuk wrote: |
My Principal isn't interested in what I do, as long as I show up. Unlike some of the public schools my Korean colleagues have no influence over the Principal, because he treats everybody like children.
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And then after you renew, your principal takes off to take a job somewhere else, and a tightass comes in.
I know a lot of people who were in a VERY nice position and renewed thinking everything was going to be great.
Then change happens. Whether it be a new principal, new VP, new coteachrs, or whatever. Their cushy job goes straight to hell and they have a whole year to look forward too. |
BINGO....I had a sweet deal for 6 years. Regime change. Be careful what you wish for. Thought it would be great to have a Principal that spoke some English. I rue the day I met that asshat.
He wanted to micro manage from day one. Only teach to high level students...longer camps...more camps. Wanted to change a system that had taken about 5 years to make work. Destroying any rapport that the K-teachers and I had worked so hard to develop. The English program was working well to be honest. Certainly not perfect but within the confines of the time I had and the materials we did pretty well.
Wanted my butt in the chair except for vacations which were going to change to standard GEPIK wording except we weren't a GEPIK school.
I left the job after giving 30 days notice. Advantages of being an F2 and 5 now is I don't have to take the crap. However, this was a great school with great kids. And this 900 year old asshat tore apart an English program that was working pretty well and that the students liked and that provided a chance for ANY student to excel.
GRRRR...regime changes...I had survived 2 previous ones without a hitch. The last one was a blood letter. I did well above the call of duty at my school and was not always compensated in money but definitely in time which was more important to me.
Be careful.
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Teelo
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Wellington, NZ
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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| fromtheuk wrote: |
| I always do the bare minimum and act like they should be grateful for it. And it seems to work. |
As Seth Mcfarlane said: The american way is to do the bare minimum and get away with it.  |
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
And then after you renew, your principal takes off to take a job somewhere else, and a tightass comes in.
I know a lot of people who were in a VERY nice position and renewed thinking everything was going to be great.
Then change happens. Whether it be a new principal, new VP, new coteachrs, or whatever. Their cushy job goes stirght to hell and they have a whole year to look forward too. |
Yes, principals and v.p.s are transferred with very little warning. This is why it's imperative to get any agreements in writing.
I came back from a month of summer holidays/home leave and there was a new v.p. sitting in the staff room.
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nizpaz
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| I dont know about the GPIK contract but in SMOE vacation is vacation. Vacation takes priority over camps. It has to be fitted in before your contract expires, if that means you dont have time to do extra camp, then you dont. Plus you dont have to do the extra camp. If it's in your contract, remind him of that. You can say "no". If you dont say "no" they will take more and more and that is the same the world over. It is also our responsibility to set our boundaries and say "no" It can be hard to do, but if you dont you'll end up feeling used and dissatisfied. |
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