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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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 Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:08 am Post subject: Muammar Qaddafi proposes the state of Isratine |
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/22/opinion/22qaddafi.html
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The basis for the modern State of Israel is the persecution of the Jewish people, which is undeniable. The Jews have been held captive, massacred, disadvantaged in every possible fashion by the Egyptians, the Romans, the English, the Russians, the Babylonians, the Canaanites and, most recently, the Germans under Hitler. The Jewish people want and deserve their homeland.
But the Palestinians too have a history of persecution, and they view the coastal towns of Haifa, Acre, Jaffa and others as the land of their forefathers, passed from generation to generation, until only a short time ago.
Thus the Palestinians believe that what is now called Israel forms part of their nation, even were they to secure the West Bank and Gaza. And the Jews believe that the West Bank is Samaria and Judea, part of their homeland, even if a Palestinian state were established there. Now, as Gaza still smolders, calls for a two-state solution or partition persist. But neither will work.
A two-state solution will create an unacceptable security threat to Israel. An armed Arab state, presumably in the West Bank, would give Israel less than 10 miles of strategic depth at its narrowest point. Further, a Palestinian state in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip would do little to resolve the problem of refugees. Any situation that keeps the majority of Palestinians in refugee camps and does not offer a solution within the historical borders of Israel/Palestine is not a solution at all.
For the same reasons, the older idea of partition of the West Bank into Jewish and Arab areas, with buffer zones between them, won�t work. The Palestinian-held areas could not accommodate all of the refugees, and buffer zones symbolize exclusion and breed tension. Israelis and Palestinians have also become increasingly intertwined, economically and politically.
In absolute terms, the two movements must remain in perpetual war or a compromise must be reached. The compromise is one state for all, an �Isratine� that would allow the people in each party to feel that they live in all of the disputed land and they are not deprived of any one part of it. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:25 am Post subject: |
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| He's probably right, and many people now agree it is the only real solution. And that's how it used to be. But first Israelis will have to let go of the concept of Israel being a Jewish state, and there is a lot of healing to be done. |
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ManintheMiddle
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:35 am Post subject: |
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Big Bird:
It's a pipe dream and Khadafi, who my father once worked it when he was a lieutenant in the Libyan Air Force before the overthrow of King Idris, was and remains something of a nutjob. (It was shrapnel from the American bombing raid on his tent in a couple of decades ago, after all).
Oh, ok, let's be charitable. He's flamboyant and misunderstood. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:38 am Post subject: |
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Ha, I was going to post this article, but you beat me to it. Qadaffi writing an op-ed in a Western newspaper. Proof that at least some people can change. 
Yeah, both sides are going to have to accept reality eventually. As I said on another thread, demographics do not bode well for the future of Israel as a Jewish state. |
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caniff
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:45 am Post subject: |
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It would be nice if it were possible. I guess that the extremists on both sides wouldn't consider this to be a feasible option, however.
And so it will go on. |
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mises
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:12 am Post subject: |
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| Let's ask the Copts how that plays out. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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Unworkable. A better proposal already exists -- and will likely guide the Obama administration's conduct and leadership.
George Mitchell on point. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| ManintheMiddle wrote: |
Big Bird:
It's a pipe dream and Khadafi, who my father once worked it when he was a lieutenant in the Libyan Air Force before the overthrow of King Idris, was and remains something of a nutjob. (It was shrapnel from the American bombing raid on his tent in a couple of decades ago, after all).
Oh, ok, let's be charitable. He's flamboyant and misunderstood. |
Libyan friends of mine will happily agree with you that he is a nutjob - and a rather detested nutjob too. And it possibly is a pipe dream (but the two state solution is now a pipe dream). Some early zionists had envisaged such a solution. In generations to come, it may end up being the best all round solution. Many other non-Libyan-non-nutjobs are already saying what Gaddafi has said here. |
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VanIslander
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Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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Isratine?
Sounds like a weightlifter's new suppliment
I prefer the more buddy friendly term: Palesrael |
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Trevor
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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Israel is what is know as an 'ethnic democracy.'  That means that it is a democracy -- equal rights for everybody -- errr. wait, wait, scratch that...'ethnic means that equal rights but only one ethnicity is in power so it can't be a demo....wait a second, uh.....did I tell you about the holocaust? 
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Big Bird:
It's a pipe dream and Khadafi, who my father once worked it when he was a lieutenant in the Libyan Air Force before the overthrow of King Idris, was and remains something of a nutjob. (It was shrapnel from the American bombing raid on his tent in a couple of decades ago, after all).
Oh, ok, let's be charitable. He's flamboyant and misunderstood. |
Libyan friends of mine will happily agree with you that he is a nutjob - and a rather detested nutjob too. And it possibly is a pipe dream (but the two state solution is now a pipe dream). Some early zionists had envisaged such a solution. In generations to come, it may end up being the best all round solution. Many other non-Libyan-non-nutjobs are already saying what Gaddafi has said here. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:57 am Post subject: |
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Hypocrisy
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Redirected from Hypocrite)
Hypocrisy (or the state of being a hypocrite) is the act of preaching a certain belief, religion or way of life, but not, in fact, holding these same virtues oneself. For example, if a person were to tell one to stop eating a kind of fruit yet he never stops himself, this is hypocrisy.
In other languages, including French, a hypocrite is one who hides his intentions and true personality. This definition is different from that of the English language. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrite
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Libya
3.Khaddafy could show his good will by stepping down and accepting liberal democracy.
Ali Khammani must leave power and Iran must accept liberal democracy.
Assad must leave power and Syria must accept liberal democracy.
Hamas must quit power and accept liberal democracy.
Israel's enemies ought to be held accountable for all their crimes against Israel , and arab jews, minority groups and terror attacks as part of the solution.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:49 am Post subject: |
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Ah Khaddafy gets published in the New York Times.
Meanwhile did anyone forget?
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NYT REJECTS MCCAIN'S EDITORIAL; SHOULD 'MIRROR' OBAMA
Mon Jul 21 2008 12:00:25 ET
An editorial written by Republican presidential hopeful McCain has been rejected by the NEW YORK TIMES -- less than a week after the paper published an essay written by Obama, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.
The paper's decision to refuse McCain's direct rebuttal to Obama's 'My Plan for Iraq' has ignited explosive charges of media bias in top Republican circles.
'It would be terrific to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors Senator Obama's piece,' NYT Op-Ed editor David Shipley explained in an email late Friday to McCain's staff. 'I'm not going to be able to accept this piece as currently written.'
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http://www.drudgereport.com/flashnym.htm
NY Times publishes Khaddafy -refuses to publish what McCain wants.
Yep some people can change.
The NY Times has been changed to moonbat land.
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ManintheMiddle
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:06 am Post subject: |
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Big Bird:
Let's stop referring to Israelis as "Zionists." That makes you sound like spokesperson for Ahmadine-jihad. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:08 am Post subject: |
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| The problem with a two-state solution is the fact that you would have to force out some 250,000 Israeli settlers. Their numbers grow every year and they will never go without a fight. Simply put, a real peace is impossible unless you get rid of the settlers but the Israeli public will almost certainly not have the stomach to see military force used to achieve that. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:11 am Post subject: |
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| ManintheMiddle wrote: |
Big Bird:
Let's stop referring to Israelis as "Zionists." That makes you sound like spokesperson for Ahmadine-jihad. |
I think she used it to refer to actual Zionists, not Israelis broadly. Seemed appropriate to me. |
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