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moosehead

Joined: 05 May 2007
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Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:54 am Post subject: Americans' travel is being documented |
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this is stunning news to me - I had not been aware of it. here's the link and story:
http://travel.yahoo.com/p-interests-24971907
A rare peek at Homeland Security's files on travelers
Is this useful information, or a waste of time?
By Sean O'Neill
Associated Press
The oversize white envelope bore the blue logo of the Department of Homeland Security. Inside, I found 20 photocopies of the government's records on my international travels. Every overseas trip I've taken since 2001 was noted.
I had requested the files after I had heard that the government tracks "passenger activity." Starting in the mid-1990s, many airlines handed over passenger records. Since 2002, the government has mandated that the commercial airlines deliver this information routinely and electronically.
A passenger record typically includes the name of the person traveling, the name of the person who submitted the information while arranging the trip, and details about how the ticket was bought, according to documents published by the Department of Homeland Security. Records are made for citizens and non-citizens who cross our borders. An agent from U.S. Customs and Border Protection can generate a travel history for any traveler with a few keystrokes on a computer. Officials use the information to prevent terrorism, acts of organized crime, and other illegal activity.
I had been curious about what's in my travel dossier, so I made a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request for a copy.
My biggest surprise was that the Internet Protocol (I.P.) address of the computer used to buy my tickets via a Web agency was noted. On the first document image posted here, I've circled in red the I.P. address of the computer used to buy my pair of airline tickets.
(An I.P. address is assigned to every computer on the Internet. Each time that computer sends an e-mail�or is used to make a purchase via a Web browser � it has to reveal its I.P. address, which tells its geographic location.)
The rest of my file contained details about my ticketed itineraries, the amount I paid for tickets, and the airports I passed through overseas. My credit card number was not listed, nor were any hotels I've visited. In two cases, the basic identifying information about my traveling companion (whose ticket was part of the same purchase as mine) was included in the file. Perhaps that information was included by mistake.
Some sections of my documents were blacked out by an official. Presumably, this information contains material that is classified because it would reveal the inner workings of law enforcement.
Here's the lowdown on the records.
The commercial airlines send these passenger records to Customs and Border Protection, an agency within the Department of Homeland Security. Computers match the information with the databases of federal departments, such as Treasury, Agriculture, and Homeland Security. Computers uncover links between known and previously unidentified terrorists or terrorist suspects, as well as suspicious or irregular travel patterns. Some of this information comes from foreign governments and law enforcement agencies. The data is also crosschecked with American state and local law enforcement agencies, which are tracking persons who have warrants out for their arrest or who are under restraining orders. The data is used not only to fight terrorism but also to prevent and combat acts of organized crime and other illegal activity.
Officials use the information to help decide if a passenger needs to have additional screening. Case in point: After overseas trips, I've stood in lines at U.S. border checkpoints and had my passport swiped and my electronic file examined. A few times, something in my record has prompted officers to pull me over to a side room, where I have been asked additional questions. Sometimes I've had to clarify a missing middle initial. Other times, I have been referred to a secondary examination. (I've blogged about this before.)
When did this electronic data collection start? In 1999, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (then known as the U.S. Customs Service) began receiving passenger identification information electronically from certain air carriers on a voluntary basis, though some paper records were shared prior to that. A mandatory, automated program began about 6 years ago. Congress funds this Automated Targeting System's Passenger Screening Program to the tune of about $30 million a year.
How safe is your information? Regulations prohibit officials from sharing the records of any traveler � or the government's risk assessment of any traveler � with airlines or private companies. A record is kept for 15 years�unless it is linked to an investigation, in which case it can be kept indefinitely. Agency computers do not encrypt the data, but officials insist that other measures � both physical and electronic � safeguard our records.
I wonder if the government's data collecting is relevant and necessary to accomplish the agency's purpose in protecting our borders. The volume of data collected, and the rate at which the records is growing and being shared with officials nationwide, suggests that the potential for misuse could soar out of hand. Others may wonder if the efforts are effective. For instance, I asked security expert Bruce Schneier Schneider about the Feds' efforts to track passenger activity, and he responded by e-mail:
"I think it's a waste of time. There's this myth that we can pick terrorists out of the crowd if we only knew more information."
On the other hand, some people may find it reassuring that the government is using technology to keep our borders safe.
Oh, one more thing: Are your records worth seeing? Maybe not, unless you've been experiencing a problem crossing our nation's borders. For one thing, the records are a bit dull. In my file, for instance, officials had blacked out the (presumably) most fascinating parts, which were about how officials assessed my risk profile. What's more, the records are mainly limited to information that airline and passport control officials have collected, so you probably won't be surprised by anything you read in them. Lastly, there may be a cost. While there was no charge to me when I requested my records, you might charged a fee of up to $50 if there is difficulty in obtaining your records. Of course, there's a cost to taxpayers and to our nation's security resources whenever a request is filed, too.
However, if you are being detained at the border or if you suspect a problem with your records, then by all means request a copy. U.S. Customs and Border Protection is required by law to make your records available to you, with some exceptions. Your request must be made in writing on paper and be signed by you. Ask to see the "information relating to me in the Automated Targeting System." Say that your request is "made pursuant to the Freedom of Information Act, as amended (5 U.S.C. 552)." Add that you wish to have a copy of your records made and mailed to you without first inspecting them. Your letter should, obviously, give reasonably sufficient detail to enable an official to find your record. So supply your passport number and mailing address. Put a date on your letter and make a copy for your own records. On your envelope, you should conspicuously print the words �FOIA Request." It should be addressed to �Freedom of Information Act Request,� U.S. Customs Service, 1300 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW., Washington, DC 20229. Be patient. I had wait for up to a year to receive a copy of my records. Then if you believe there's an error in your record, ask for a correction by writing a letter to the Customer Satisfaction Unit, Office of Field Operations, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, Room 5.5C, 1300 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20229 |
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Beeyee

Joined: 29 May 2007
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Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:01 am Post subject: |
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It's ok, Obama will bring about change you can believe in
If this isn't evidence of the New World Order, I don't know what is. |
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moosehead

Joined: 05 May 2007
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Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:26 am Post subject: |
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actually you bring up a good point - budgets are going to have to be slashed - I can't think of a better budget that needs slashing than the Dept of Homeland Spying - oops I meant Security -  |
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sojourner1

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| America is a police state that wants to imprison most people and make only a tiny few super rich. That's all it is. It's ridiculous and absurd as they ever came. I wouldn't doubt if much of what is said to be feared is indeed engineered to oppress the people. It's very sad and they, the executive leadership, should be ashamed of themselves for doing what they did. |
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Bigfeet

Joined: 29 May 2008 Location: Grrrrr.....
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Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| You have to trade information for safety. |
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moosehead

Joined: 05 May 2007
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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Bigfeet wrote: |
| You have to trade information for safety. |
this is the biggest crock since white bread
to wit - I am just one of millions of travelers - a totaly random, incredibly nonthreatening passenger.
yet, a couple of years ago when in the ME, I bought a small souvenir dagger, stowed into my baggage but forgot about it. Somehow, the dagger wedged itself into the lining of my bag, not visible when I opened the bag.
again - this was a carry-on wheelie type bag - I went from Amman, Jordan, to Cairo, to NYC, to Houston, Tx; later to Chicago, to Seattle, and back to Seoul.
Whereupon back in Seoul, the dagger somehow came loose and I saw it. I had completely forgotten I even bought it!!
I WAS STUNNED THIS WAS NEVER CAUGHT BY ANYONE AT ANY AIRPORT!!!
that sort of throws your argument out of the mix, don't you think??
if they can't catch something like a DAGGER being carried on board - WHICH COULD BE AN IMMEDIATE THREAT - how is subverting our entire democracy by amassing personal files on travelers going to even begin to help???
*hint* it doesn't.  |
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waynehead
Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Location: Jongno
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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| sojourner1 wrote: |
| America is a police state that wants to imprison most people and make only a tiny few super rich. That's all it is. It's ridiculous and absurd as they ever came. I wouldn't doubt if much of what is said to be feared is indeed engineered to oppress the people. It's very sad and they, the executive leadership, should be ashamed of themselves for doing what they did. |
I hope the dept. of homeland security gets its budget slashed and I certainly hope these kinds of systems of tracking travelers are curtailed, but your statement that the US is a police state is absurd and extreme. Think before you type. America "wants to imprison most people and make only a tiny few super rich." Please provide details. What % of people in the world does the US want to imprison? 50%? 75% Do we have jails to hold these billions of people? And what % of Americans are allowed to become super rich? 1? 2? I'm sure an expert like yourself must have pages and pages of documentation to back up such extravagant claims, I mean, it's not like you're an idiot or something. |
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Bibbitybop

Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| moosehead wrote: |
| Bigfeet wrote: |
| You have to trade information for safety. |
this is the biggest crock since white bread
to wit - I am just one of millions of travelers - a totaly random, incredibly nonthreatening passenger.
yet, a couple of years ago when in the ME, I bought a small souvenir dagger, stowed into my baggage but forgot about it. Somehow, the dagger wedged itself into the lining of my bag, not visible when I opened the bag.
again - this was a carry-on wheelie type bag - I went from Amman, Jordan, to Cairo, to NYC, to Houston, Tx; later to Chicago, to Seattle, and back to Seoul.
Whereupon back in Seoul, the dagger somehow came loose and I saw it. I had completely forgotten I even bought it!!
I WAS STUNNED THIS WAS NEVER CAUGHT BY ANYONE AT ANY AIRPORT!!!
that sort of throws your argument out of the mix, don't you think??
if they can't catch something like a DAGGER being carried on board - WHICH COULD BE AN IMMEDIATE THREAT - how is subverting our entire democracy by amassing personal files on travelers going to even begin to help???
*hint* it doesn't.  |
Great post, Moosehead.
Did you know after 9-11 the boost in TSA employees and secruity resulted in the government trying to hire high school drop outs.
High school is easy and these people were too lazy or stupid to finish it, and we are now trusting them to keep us safe. |
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sojourner1

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| waynehead wrote: |
| sojourner1 wrote: |
| America is a police state that wants to imprison most people and make only a tiny few super rich. That's all it is. It's ridiculous and absurd as they ever came. I wouldn't doubt if much of what is said to be feared is indeed engineered to oppress the people. It's very sad and they, the executive leadership, should be ashamed of themselves for doing what they did. |
I hope the dept. of homeland security gets its budget slashed and I certainly hope these kinds of systems of tracking travelers are curtailed, but your statement that the US is a police state is absurd and extreme. Think before you type. America "wants to imprison most people and make only a tiny few super rich." Please provide details. What % of people in the world does the US want to imprison? 50%? 75% Do we have jails to hold these billions of people? And what % of Americans are allowed to become super rich? 1? 2? I'm sure an expert like yourself must have pages and pages of documentation to back up such extravagant claims, I mean, it's not like you're an idiot or something. |
It's a well known fact that our prisons are full and probation officers have too many cases on their hands most of which are minor marijuana, bad checks, and car license/registration/insurance offenses. It's a well known fact that American police, especially in small towns, hide out on the side of the road and wait like a predator to ticket and even arrest people. It's big fish eats little fish to bring in revenues for most towns. The reason for many town and county systems looking to get people is they're milking them for their money as if they're cash cows owing it to the system. Most people in small towns that aren't retirees will tell you the same as I'm telling you now. Small town and rural county areas can be preposterous as they come and they just want to get you on anything they can.
When I was younger living in a small town/rural area, I was terrified of the police as they were always on the prowl looking for a way to take me in. I wasn't doing much of anything bad, but I had long hair and played heavy metal guitar so they judged me as a bad boy. And I did have a bad brother who was a big time thief, hard core drug addict and dealer, and ended up in jail numerous times as well as prison twice. One time when I was 17, I was playing Nintendo with the door open on a Friday night and the police just came in and grabbed me, cuffed me, and said, "Ross, we got you! You're going down" Fact is, I'm not Ross, but they sure looked for a way to charge me and my mother threw a big fit as did I too. In my teens and young adult life in Missouri, I had many problems with police doing search warrants, calling me, and investigating me when I wasn't even doing anything, but peacefully minding my own business and going to school/work. When I was 15, they tried to say I stole a $15 bike just to try to get me on probation! My public defender got me off rightfully so by letting me take a lie detector test! In my young adult life after HS, I smoked a little herb on occasion, but wasn't dealing nor stealing and I was working and paying my bills the best I could, but still always had police investigating me, except when I lived in the big city and when I was in the military. Not a figment of my imagination as it really did happen more times than I want to say. The most absurd time was one time in a rooming house back in '01, I opened the door of my apartment and just got snatched and cuffed in a second since they thought I was the man writing bad checks, but it turned out to be neighbor who had already ran off. I knew something was not right as I was getting all these calls for 3 days before they came where they'd hang up as soon as I said hello. I was then taken in a police car to the station, finger printed, questioned, submitted handwriting for analysis, and locked in a damned cage for 12 hours awaiting the handwriting results. What a mix up!
I was lucky this happened in a big city where they had good detectives analyzing the case instead of small town baboons looking to just hang me. I've seen it happen too many times to count where someone is in the wrong place at the wrong time and lose over nothing. This left me very fearful of travel, but I quickly realized the whole world isn't like this. It took a lot of courage for me to do what I've done, because most others at home are quite fearful of law and political systems; much less thinking what a nightmare it would be to get caught up in a foreign one. Thank gawd I haven't seen Europe and Asia trying to get me like that.
Talk to most people in the Midwest and you'll get about the same explaination I just said about it being a police state. With that said, it's quite different in the large cities where you have more anonymity and can go with the flow at ease. I lived in downtown St. Louis for 4 years straight attending college with no issues of police trying to get me on nothing. Tell me rural America is not a police state and I'll tell you wrong, becuase I know too well about rural America from my experiences of growing up there. It's that bad and then all those they got on probabation, they're just sending to over crowded prisons for not being able to find a job! It's nutz. I feel so bad for several friends and others I know. They don't have a life or a future for this very reason
. I stayed out of trouble by looking after myself, taking a stand, going to college, going military, and then to Korea. |
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McSensei
Joined: 12 Nov 2008
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Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:13 am Post subject: |
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Well-done Sojourner , my sympathies man.
I grew up further south than you and due to a little post High-School Graduation celebration on a camping trip, in which the police went ape0shit over a couple of beers and a single joint, I am now waiting to see if 11 years later, I am to be kicked out of Korea, despite having been a productive member of their ESL - teaching community since 05. Never been in trouble here and am even more qualified than the rest of my peers with an English degree, a CELTA and 4 years experience. Thanks alot hillbilly cops and a fooked up intolerant policy. |
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ThingsComeAround

Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:10 am Post subject: |
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Depressing...
Some people still say it is the land of the free, then claim willingness to give up that freedom for "safety".
Land of the safe?  |
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dimnd
Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: Western USA
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 4:18 pm Post subject: security, etc. |
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| Any time anyone even looks at a site to rent a car, hotel or flight it is logged into a file. One does not even have to rent that car, or make a reservation..just the looking is enough to keep track of us all. |
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wesharris
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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Sojourner,
I'm from the South. I honestly don't get you. I lived in a small town. I didn't do anything, at all. You seem to be blaming the police for your own short comings. There is no police state in the US. I wish there was, get rid of some of the evil Canadians haunting the South(This part is a joke). So please sir, see that you get more balance in your life. Also , you might want to try NOT doing something if you are aware it is illegal.
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