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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:43 pm    Post subject: Itaewon: Land values to shoot up as Yongsan Garrison vacates Reply with quote

Itaewon: Land values to shoot up as Yongsan Garrison vacates
http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=59768


By Ashley Rowland and Hwang Hae-rym, Stars and Stripes
Pacific edition, Sunday, January 4, 2009

SEOUL � Go to Seoul 20 years from now, and chances are you won�t recognize what you see in the heart of the city: A grand, massive public park, reminiscent of New York City�s Central Park or London�s Hyde Park.

At least, that�s what Seoul city planners want you to see on the land that now belongs to U.S. Army Garrison-Yongsan.

The 630-acre military base is scheduled to return to South Korean control in 2012, along with all other U.S. bases in and north of Seoul. Troops stationed at those bases will move south to Camp Humphreys near Pyeongtaek.

South Korean government agencies and Seoul argued for years over what to do with Yongsan�s land. Sell it off in parcels, making a profit as new businesses and apartments go up? Or, turn it into a public park?

The park idea won, although the city has no timeline for building it.

A Seoul official said it�s impossible to estimate the value of that land. But real estate in the districts bordering Yongsan is more expensive than most other areas in the city.

For instance, an average-sized three bedroom, two bathroom apartment in Daebangdong, a mid-range Seoul neighborhood, costs $408,000. Some of the newest high-rise apartments being built outside the base cost more than $1 million.

Catherine Lutz, a Brown University professor who studies the effect military bases have on their communities, said servicemembers� incomes and buying habits shape the neighborhoods where they live and work. If they make less or more money than the people who already live there, they can depress or raise housing prices.

And since U.S. troops tend to be young males, retail tends to be fast food, pawn shops, souvenir shops, and the sex industry, especially in areas where most soldiers are single or on unaccompanied tours.

"It is not at all surprising, then, that as the U.S. soldiers move out of Itaewon, the real estate values go up and shops which can afford high rents move in," she said in an e-mail.

Yongsan has both helped and hurt Seoul�s economy, according to Park Jong-gu, a tourism professor at Dongguk University who studied Yongsan�s economic impact on the city for the Seoul Development Institute. In a 2004 report, he said the base had created jobs for Koreans and helped boost the local economy, but it had also prevented development because it takes up a large chunk of space in the geographic heart of the city.

Back then he predicted that Itaewon�s economy was faltering. The neighborhood�s reputation as a shopping mecca was fading because of its poor-quality merchandise, and because police were cracking down on the sale of fake brand-name goods typically sold there, he said.

Today, Park says Itaewon�s future is brighter because the area is becoming more diverse, catering to more than just the American military population. He said businesses in the area must continue to market themselves to people with money to spend if Itaewon is to remain trendy, he said. "Creating a luxurious environment is critical," he said.



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:12 am    Post subject: Re: Itaewon: Land values to shoot up as Yongsan Garrison vac Reply with quote

wylies99 wrote:


The 630-acre military base is scheduled to return to South Korean control in 2012, along with all other U.S. bases in and north of Seoul. .


2012??

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200901/200901010001.html

North Korean leader Kim Jong-il has been quoted as saying it was "the firm intention of the party and the people to open the gates on a powerful country by 2012."

He made the cryptic statement while inspecting the Chollima Steel Complex in South Pyongan Province, according to the official Korean Central News Agency.
Earlier, Kim was quoted by the Korean Central Television Station as saying, "Now that an ideologically and militarily powerful country has been achieved through the development of nuclear weapons, an economically powerful country should be achieved by 2012." "A country" in each case seems to refer to a stage in North Korea's development.

But why 2012? North Korea experts note that 2012 is the centenary of founder Kim Il-sung's birth, and suggest his son may be looking for some milestone for the occasion.

The year 2012 could also be politically important in that presidential elections are slated in South Korea, the U.S. and Russia, and that the Chinese leadership is to undergo a generation shift in 2013. That suggests the South Korean and American administrations could then be looking for some kind of breakthrough in the North Korea problem to bolster their image, and North Korea could try to take advantage of this by fishing for economic support.

"Kim Jong-il, who is sick, will be 70 and want to name a successor in one form of another by 2012, the 40th anniversary of his own official designation as the successor," one expert said, and the new developmental stage Kim is promising would lay the groundwork for that.

Chung Young-tae, a senior researcher at the Korea Institute for National Unification warned it was best to prepare for all eventualities since nobody knows what could happen in 2012 amid potential power changes among all the main players.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll believe it when I see it.
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Yesterday



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

justaguy wrote:
I'll believe it when I see it.


Well - I guess you are not a fool - If you saw something - and you didn't believe it - then that would be foolish...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yongsan has both helped and hurt Seoul�s economy, according to Park Jong-gu, a tourism professor at Dongguk University who studied Yongsan�s economic impact on the city for the Seoul Development Institute. In a 2004 report, he said the base had created jobs for Koreans and helped boost the local economy, but it had also prevented development because it takes up a large chunk of space in the geographic heart of the city.

Back then he predicted that Itaewon�s economy was faltering. The neighborhood�s reputation as a shopping mecca was fading because of its poor-quality merchandise, and because police were cracking down on the sale of fake brand-name goods typically sold there, he said.

Today, Park says Itaewon�s future is brighter because the area is becoming more diverse, catering to more than just the American military population. He said businesses in the area must continue to market themselves to people with money to spend if Itaewon is to remain trendy, he said. "Creating a luxurious environment is critical," he said.



So, Park says that the "future is brighter because the area is becoming more diverse" and the way to continue this is to get rid of the foreigners and attract only Koreans? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wylies99 wrote:
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Yongsan has both helped and hurt Seoul�s economy, according to Park Jong-gu, a tourism professor at Dongguk University who studied Yongsan�s economic impact on the city for the Seoul Development Institute. In a 2004 report, he said the base had created jobs for Koreans and helped boost the local economy, but it had also prevented development because it takes up a large chunk of space in the geographic heart of the city.

Back then he predicted that Itaewon�s economy was faltering. The neighborhood�s reputation as a shopping mecca was fading because of its poor-quality merchandise, and because police were cracking down on the sale of fake brand-name goods typically sold there, he said.

Today, Park says Itaewon�s future is brighter because the area is becoming more diverse, catering to more than just the American military population. He said businesses in the area must continue to market themselves to people with money to spend if Itaewon is to remain trendy, he said. "Creating a luxurious environment is critical," he said.



So, Park says that the "future is brighter because the area is becoming more diverse" and the way to continue this is to get rid of the foreigners and attract only Koreans? Rolling Eyes


Just FYI, "Foreigners" means more than just Americans. There are many other foreigners who would find the place more attractive without US military presence.

Go figure, eh?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wylies99 wrote:
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Yongsan has both helped and hurt Seoul�s economy, according to Park Jong-gu, a tourism professor at Dongguk University who studied Yongsan�s economic impact on the city for the Seoul Development Institute. In a 2004 report, he said the base had created jobs for Koreans and helped boost the local economy, but it had also prevented development because it takes up a large chunk of space in the geographic heart of the city.

Back then he predicted that Itaewon�s economy was faltering. The neighborhood�s reputation as a shopping mecca was fading because of its poor-quality merchandise, and because police were cracking down on the sale of fake brand-name goods typically sold there, he said.

Today, Park says Itaewon�s future is brighter because the area is becoming more diverse, catering to more than just the American military population. He said businesses in the area must continue to market themselves to people with money to spend if Itaewon is to remain trendy, he said. "Creating a luxurious environment is critical," he said.



So, Park says that the "future is brighter because the area is becoming more diverse" and the way to continue this is to get rid of the foreigners and attract only Koreans? Rolling Eyes


It's called gentrification.....minorities get priced out, the are diversifies by more yuppies moving in.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ukon wrote:
wylies99 wrote:
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Yongsan has both helped and hurt Seoul�s economy, according to Park Jong-gu, a tourism professor at Dongguk University who studied Yongsan�s economic impact on the city for the Seoul Development Institute. In a 2004 report, he said the base had created jobs for Koreans and helped boost the local economy, but it had also prevented development because it takes up a large chunk of space in the geographic heart of the city.

Back then he predicted that Itaewon�s economy was faltering. The neighborhood�s reputation as a shopping mecca was fading because of its poor-quality merchandise, and because police were cracking down on the sale of fake brand-name goods typically sold there, he said.

Today, Park says Itaewon�s future is brighter because the area is becoming more diverse, catering to more than just the American military population. He said businesses in the area must continue to market themselves to people with money to spend if Itaewon is to remain trendy, he said. "Creating a luxurious environment is critical," he said.



So, Park says that the "future is brighter because the area is becoming more diverse" and the way to continue this is to get rid of the foreigners and attract only Koreans? Rolling Eyes


It's called gentrification.....minorities get priced out, the are diversifies by more yuppies moving in.


Yes, so yuppies = "Trendy" and I think what Park means by "trendy" is a place like Apgujeong. But, even Apgujeong can SINK...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/02/business/worldbusiness/02plastic.html?_r=1
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A park would be nice for the residents as well as further increase surrounding housing prices. It would definitely nice to see a bit of green in that concrete jungle. Hopefully there will be fun things to do in that park so people will actually want to go there. Some waterfountains, water recreational vehicles in a man-made lake, etc.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So all the cheap housing in Haebangchon will eventually be a thing of the past? I guess as long as many evil, dirty foreigners live there, the prices will stay low.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hahhhah yeah right...

they have been talking about moving for the last 10 years...

every year it gets pushed back.. they now saying 2012...

you watch ... 2010 they will say 2016 then 2020
as long as there is war with the north.. they aint leaving...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

anyone actually believe they're gonna make a park here? on prime real estate?

there's a reason so many high rises are going up in the area and it's not for the park - they'll just expand the downtown area here is all.

cut a road thru towards Seoul Station - maybe help out the traffic problem -

raze what's left of HBC - heck every day in the warmer weather there was another realtor's card on our front gate - Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This city has more than enough park being put in these days. What they could use are some major roads to alleviate traffic. Ironically that would probably be the most environmentally friendly. Of course we'll just end up with another vanity project by another corrupt mayor looking to run for president.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
This city has more than enough park being put in these days. What they could use are some major roads to alleviate traffic. Ironically that would probably be the most environmentally friendly. Of course we'll just end up with another vanity project by another corrupt mayor looking to run for president.


How about some tall parking garages. too?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
This city has more than enough park being put in these days. What they could use are some major roads to alleviate traffic. Ironically that would probably be the most environmentally friendly. Of course we'll just end up with another vanity project by another corrupt mayor looking to run for president.



???? Shocked Shocked Shocked Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

I'd really hate to see where you were brought up if you think there's enough green space in Seoul. seriously. Shocked
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