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mises
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 Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:40 am Post subject: Erdogan walks out of Davos |
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http://www.londravizyon.com/node/1145
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/ambrose_evans-pritchard/blog/2009/01/29/wef_2009i_will_never_come_back_to_davos
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WEF 2009:I will never come back to Davos
Damn, we are all sitting here in open-mouthed astonishment.
Turkish premier Tayyip Erdogan has just stormed off the rostrum after calling Israel's president Shimon Peres a "killer" to his face.
Mr Peres in turn has been thundering and fulminating at the top of his voice for 25 minutes -- while the UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon sat in embarrased silence next to him, mostly looking at his shoes.
The incensed leaders then walked out passed packed ranks of trembling Davos enthusiasts - all believers in civilized comity, and all horrified by this display of raw and visceral feeling - into a hall where a light-hearted Strauss Waltz being played with shocking insouciance.
If we journalists missed our deadlines - and leaving a big gap in our newspapers tomorrow - you must forgive us, because we none could concentrate on anything as this extraordinary spectacle of Mid-East passion unfolded before our eyes.
Mr Peres -- winner of the 1994 Nobel Peace prize -- had reason to be angry. The Turkish leader called today for the Obama administration to list Israel as a terrorist state for alleged atrocities against civilians in Gaza.
"President Obama must redefine terror and terrorist organizations in the Middle East, and based on this new definition, a new American policy must be deployed in the Middle East," he said.
This seems to have tipped Mr Peres over the edge. A genteel panel on Mid-East issues flew out of control after he let rip such eloquence and emotion that nobody dared stop him, and people sat enthralled, or in tears, or aghast, as he related how Hamas was deploying terror in Gaza.
A hundred Fatah prisoners in Gaza had been thrown from roof-tops, he said. Dozens had been shot in the legs. The Gaza schools had become a Gulag of Palestinian prisoners, he said, reading aloud a letter from Fatah's secretary-general.
"The tragedy of Gaza is not Israel, it is Hamas. They created a dictatorship. A very dangerous one."
Israel had withdrawn its troops and settlements from Gaza. It had complied to the letter with all accords, yet it was still attacked, and bombed, and rocket daily. (I merely relate his words this without wishing to make any judgment of my own on a conflict that has killed 1,300 people in Gaza, and 14 Israelis)
"What would you do?" he screamed into the face of Mr Erdogan, who sat stony faced, pulling slightly back, his legs twisted, his whole body language at war
"We have been a nation for sixty years, and which other nation has had to fight seven wars?"
Mr Erdogan perhaps feels betrayed because Turkey was mediating on behalf of Israel when the Gaza occurred. "I saw this as a lack of respect for us and also a shadow cast over peace," he said.
His Swiss trip has ended very badly. "I will never come back to Davos", he said as he strode out, complaining that his own rant had been cut short by the moderator.
It has been a bad hair day for Turkey's pro-Islamic leader. The negotiations for an IMF stand-by loan broke down. "It's not the end of the world", he said.
We'll see what the markets have to say about that tomorrow. |
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caniff
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| Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| I'd like to see a video of that. |
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mises
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| Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:00 am Post subject: |
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| A link to the video is in the OP. First link.. |
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caniff
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| Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:04 am Post subject: |
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Duh. I guess that's why the first word in the OP was 'Video'.
Been a long-short week.... |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:06 am Post subject: |
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BBC Profile
Apparently he is an Islamist, with a conviction for "inciting religious hatred" in the late-1990s. |
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mises
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| Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:11 am Post subject: |
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Yes, he is an islamist, posing as a moderate.
My favorite quote of his:
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| �Democracy was a train, from which you could alight once you reached your destination.� |
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mithridates
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| Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:34 am Post subject: |
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You'll like this one even more:
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| Hem laik, hem M�sl�man olunmaz. Ya M�sl�man olacaksın, ya laik. İkisi bir arada olunca ters mıknatıslanma yapar. M�mk�n değil, ikisi bir arada olamaz. |
= "You can't be both Muslim and secular. You're either Muslim or secular. Having them in the same place is like being magnetized the wrong way. It's not possible for both to be in the same place."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu2umNki9EI |
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mises
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| Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| He sounds like an islamophobic racist! |
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bucheon bum
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 3:02 am Post subject: |
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For the record Turkey is right for going after PKK. Here is the question he ought to answer.What is the difference between Hamas and the PKK?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey-PKK_conflict
It is ok for him to kill PKK but it is wrong for Israel to kill Hamas? Israel doesn't do worse than Turkey does during war. and Israel gets more criticism than Turkey does for doing no worse than Turkey from countries world wide.
Double standards and selective one sided criticism. |
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blade
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 3:21 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
For the record Turkey is right for going after PKK. Here is the question he ought to answer.What is the difference between Hamas and the PKK?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey-PKK_conflict
It is ok for him to kill PKK but it is wrong for Israel to kill Hamas? Israel doesn't do worse than Turkey does during war. and Israel gets more criticism than Turkey does for doing no worse than Turkey from countries world wide. Typical selective one sided criticism. |
No worse than Saddam either  |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 4:45 am Post subject: |
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| blade wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
For the record Turkey is right for going after PKK. Here is the question he ought to answer.What is the difference between Hamas and the PKK?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey-PKK_conflict
It is ok for him to kill PKK but it is wrong for Israel to kill Hamas? Israel doesn't do worse than Turkey does during war. and Israel gets more criticism than Turkey does for doing no worse than Turkey from countries world wide. Typical selective one sided criticism. |
No worse than Saddam either |
Actually Saddam did far worse than either. |
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