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how to declare as a'non residents' in Canada for tax purpose

 
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sadiebear



Joined: 13 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 4:00 am    Post subject: how to declare as a'non residents' in Canada for tax purpose Reply with quote

It's almost tax season again in Canada and hubby only worked a yr ago from Jan.1,2008 to Jan.23, 2008 and I myself is a stay at home mom (no income at all). Jan 28, 2008, we left for good and not planning to go back to Canada till hubby retires working from abroad. My question is, should we even bother to file our final tax return for 2008 income in Canada and declare on the tax form that we left Canada in Jan.28' 08? If we don't bother then how would the cra know that we became non residents in Canada a yr ago? We don't have any 'Canadian ties' so we're class as a 'non residents in Canada' based on my understanding.
-Thank you.
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teachergirltoo



Joined: 28 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently there are two choices: you can either fill out the government form that you can get from a website and send it in and let them determine your status, or you can just disappear so to speak. It is pretty much split as to how Canadians handle the situation.
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D.D.



Joined: 29 May 2008

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I split 17 years ago and nothing has ever been said to me. No letters come to my parents about taxes. The bank never mentions anything about them either.
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marlow



Joined: 06 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=1698&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
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Janny



Joined: 02 Jul 2008
Location: all over the place

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been in Korea 6 years now. I did work in Canada for a few months back in 2006, and that year I DID file a tax return, since I received T4s. But other than that, I have done no tax returns for my years working in Korea. I did ask a tax attorney about it a while back, they said that the government is unlikely to bother you about it, as long as you
a) have no property ties in Canada;
b) don't garner loans from the govt in any way;
c) cancel your health insurance

He also recommended that I cancel my bank accounts, but I haven't done that. The biggest issue is whether you are a financial drain, in any way, to Canadian social safety net (insurance, health care, social services, taxable income, RRSPs, pension payments). If not, you're OK.

Declaring non-residency makes it a bit of a pain to return to Canada and start working right away. Plus, Canada and Korea have a reciprocity agreement regarding income tax, so that's good too.

I'm no expert, this is my shaky understanding on the subject. However, I am a bit scared that in a couple years, after having returned to Canada and filed another return, I'll be hit with a HUGE tax bill. Scary. But if that happens to people, I'm sure we woulda heard about it by now. I've never heard of it happening.
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egrog1717



Joined: 12 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone has a post about 2 weeks ago saying that the CRA was looking for a wack of cash after they got home... Don't remember the specifics but it has happened... Maybe someone remembers better than I do?
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khyber



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I returned, my accountant did my tax. He said we'd have to claim the income from our bank accounts as income.

It's all about severing your ties. Property is the BIG one. The fewer govt. issued docs the better (let your driver's license expire if possible; health care; etc...). A bank account is usually okay.

As for your sitch: I would just keep any proof for in country income (if you had none, no problem). DEFINITELY keep your ticket stubs.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I first did it, back in 2000, I just filled out my tax form as a non- resident. Then I had returned to Canada to work for 6 months. They wrote me back saying that I would be considered a resident for the 6 months I was in Canada and a non-resident after that. So I paid my taxes on my Canadian income. That was my last income tax form I ever filled out, and I've never gotten any letters or anything from the gov.

I do worry what will happen when I go back to Canada though. I have read some pretty scary stories about people who've gotten dinged heavily when they return and the rules set out by the tax office are in no wise clear!

I don't have a driver's permit or property, but I do have a bank account and a credit card.

Good Luck.
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okokok



Joined: 27 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From gaijinpot.com

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Hi,
I worked for AEON teaching English in Osaka, Japan a few years ago and I'm having issues with taxes. At the AEON interview they explained that people fill out the Canadian Revenue Agency form NR73 to determine your residential status. I realize that they're not tax experts, but they said that because almost all their people hired were recent graduates with very little ties to Canada that they will pay tax only in Japan. I fall into this category - no wife or kids, businesses or investments, etc only student debt - and I filled outthe NR73 a few months before leaving the country and I paid taxes in Japan. After I had been back in Canada a short while CRA sent me a notice saying that I now own them $11000 for the 18 months that I was out of the country working in Japan. I was under the impression that people paid taxes in Canada or Japan - not both. An accountant was provided more documentation thanks to the help of AEON and filed something with CRA to tell them something was wrong. So after almost a year CRA has come back with a reduced tax bill for me to pay (just over $4000) but it's still a lot to pay!

Has anyone had any similar experiences? Has anyone paid tax in both Canada and Japan while having minscule ties to Canada? The accountant said that he doesn't think that there are any other ways to reduce or eliminate the bill. Any ideas for ways that I can get CRA to drop the $4000 tax bill? Thanks for any help.
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