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Korean Fortune Tellers Also Feel Economic Hardship
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wylies99



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 6:07 pm    Post subject: Korean Fortune Tellers Also Feel Economic Hardship Reply with quote

12-25-2008 17:31
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/12/117_36753.html

Fortune Tellers Also Feel Economic Hardship



By Park Si-soo
Staff Reporter

Every year around Christmas, Kim Yong-sang, a salaried worker, visits a fortuneteller.

At noon Monday when his other colleagues were hurrying toward restaurants for lunch, he quietly broke away from the crowd. Roads were slippery due to heavy overnight snowfall. But his destination in Songpa-gu, southern Seoul, was already crowded with those who eagerly wanted to see their future for 20,000 won ($15).

The 33-year-old bachelor's hope for next year is to marry his girlfriend, who he has been seeing for five years.

After a 20-minute encounter with fortuneteller Moon Nam-soon, he came out with a big smile. ``She said I would tie the knot next year,'' Kim said. ``But she recommended I have the ceremony after July for smart and healthy offspring.''

In Korea, where ancient shamanism is still practiced, visiting fortunetellers at this time of year to see into the future of the next year has long been a popular event. These days, however, the prolonged economic slump discourages people from visiting fortunetellers. The fortune-telling fees, known here as ``bokchae,'' usually range from 20,000 won to 50,000 won. But despite the downturn, this very Korean habit is dying hard.

Reflecting the currently tight job market, many customers want to know about their jobs. Two temporary middle school teachers ㅡ both refused to be named ㅡ were among visitors who wanted a glance into the crystal ball. It is their second visit here following their first one early this year.

One of them, a 37-year-old male contract Korean language teacher at a middle school in Pocheon, northern Gyeonggi Province, failed to pass the state-run test last month for a permanent teaching job.

``It was my sixth failed attempt,'' he said. ``I will study even more for next year's exam. But given the expected tough race, I came here to know if I could pass the test next time.''

He said Moon's predictions are very ``accurate,'' adding, ``I visited her early this year when I was unemployed. Then she told me I would soon be employed as a teacher. Exactly one week later, I took my current job.''

A 27-year-old woman accompanying him said, ``I don't particularly believe what the fortuneteller says, but it's a great comfort to me.''

At around 1 p.m., two middle-aged women set foot inside, holding their kids' hands.

One of them, Kim Hyeong-ja, 42, said her father's business is at risk due to the slumping economy. ``Thus, I came here to know the future of his business next year,'' Kim said.

Once a client takes his or her seat, fortuneteller Moon, in a long claret dress, asks their birth dates and consults two worn-out, hardcover, yellowish books and scrawls Chinese characters on gray paper. ``This is your fortune next year,'' the Saju master says.

Saju, a sort of Korean traditional fortune-telling skill, stands for the four pillars supporting one's life _ the year, month, day and hour of one's birth. It's based on the belief that this information determines one's fate and fortune.

``Saju helps people know their future, including employment, health, life-span and even other very private issues,'' Moon said.

Engaged in this field for two decades, she said she saw around 20 clients daily in previous years but has seen numbers drop to fewer than 15. People go to fortunetellers when they want to know about the future. But these days, fewer do because they feel they know what the future lies for them, meaning that everybody expects an economic downturn next year.

``At this time last year, the waiting room used to be bursting at the seams with clients. But it's not the case this year,'' she said.

Asked of frequently asked questions, the fortuneteller said, ``Many housewives who lost money in the collapsing stock market ask when there'll be a rebound. And it's notable that the number of clients running small businesses has drastically increased in recent months. Jobseekers are also major clients. Unfortunately, however, next year doesn't look so bright.''

The fortune-telling business is going online. Dozens of Web sites with tailor-made services are in operation. According to the nation's second largest portal site, Daum, the number of users visiting its online fortune-telling services showed a 1.7-fold increase from this time last year. The number of users in November showed an 80 percent increase from the same time in June.

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wylies99



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The fortune-telling fees, known here as ``bokchae,'' usually range from 20,000 won to 50,000 won.


Money wasted. Rolling Eyes
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Goku



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wylies99 wrote:
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The fortune-telling fees, known here as ``bokchae,'' usually range from 20,000 won to 50,000 won.


Money wasted. Rolling Eyes


Meh,
I see fortune telling as a form of entertainment, much like anything like norebang or drinking.

Whether or not you believe in that sort of thing is kind of moot...

To be honest, I think it's all BS and don't believe in that crap.
But I want to go for the kicks. I wanna see what they say.

And I think that the fact that fortunte telling suffering from the economy hard indicates that people really do view it as "excessive spedning" if anything. Although, a lot of Koreans take it seriously and I completely respect that. It's not my place to crticize someone else's belief even though I don't take it as my own.


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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe Nigerian 419ers should be considered a form of entertainment too. Sure, it'll cost you your life savings, but I'm sure their victims are quite entertained in all the intrigue they get caught up in.

Anyway, I really have only one response to the article itself: funny the fortune-tellers didn't see this coming.
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Goku



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
Maybe Nigerian 419ers should be considered a form of entertainment too. Sure, it'll cost you your life savings, but I'm sure their victims are quite entertained in all the intrigue they get caught up in.


Wow, you suck at comparing.

Fortune telling isn't a get rick quick scheme. It's a Korean tradition that people believe in. The fortune tellers themself believe in it and so do the people. People go in with the expectation of getting their fortunes told, GET THEIR FORTUNES TOLD, and both parties are relatively happy with the services.

Whereas Nigerian 419ers are deliberate scamming people for money for NO services rendered and with the deliberate intent of hurting someone and taking their money. Only 1 party is happy with the other absolutely mad and robbed.

The two aren't the same at all.
I wonder did you think about what you typed, or just typed the first thing that came into your mind?
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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goku wrote:
RACETRAITOR wrote:
Maybe Nigerian 419ers should be considered a form of entertainment too. Sure, it'll cost you your life savings, but I'm sure their victims are quite entertained in all the intrigue they get caught up in.


Wow, you suck at comparing.

Fortune telling isn't a get rick quick scheme. It's a Korean tradition that people believe in. The fortune tellers themself believe in it and so do the people. People go in with the expectation of getting their fortunes told, GET THEIR FORTUNES TOLD, and both parties are relatively happy with the services.

Whereas Nigerian 419ers are deliberate scamming people for money for NO services rendered and with the deliberate intent of hurting someone and taking their money. Only 1 party is happy with the other absolutely mad and robbed.

The two aren't the same at all.
I wonder did you think about what you typed, or just typed the first thing that came into your mind?


I stand by my comparison. The payoff isn't the same, but both are dishonest. And I'm sure a large number of fortune tellers have deluded themselves, but that doesn't change the fact that they're lying in order to get money from gullible customers.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all about using FEAR to make money. In this case, it's the FEAR of the future.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fortune tellers should've seen this coming!
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Goku



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nobbyken wrote:
The fortune tellers should've seen this coming!


OMG ZING!

lol this reminds me of that jamican teller Cleo or something.

She was caught for fraud lol.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The article doesn't seem to state the fortune tellers didn't see it coming... just that they're not making as much as before. They also add, "Unfortunately, however, next year doesn't look so bright.''
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

victorology wrote:
The article doesn't seem to state the fortune tellers didn't see it coming... just that they're not making as much as before. They also add, "Unfortunately, however, next year doesn't look so bright.''


Hold on, I'm getting a message from the future. A name starting with P, or B, or possibly T will play an important role. Does the name Park hold any particular meaning to you? Also, the colour red will play a significant role.
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Ilsanman



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. Frauds making a money off peoples' fears. I feel sooooooooooo sorry for them.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fortune tellers just separate idiots from their money....luckily it's not that expensive.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goku wrote:
wylies99 wrote:
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The fortune-telling fees, known here as ``bokchae,'' usually range from 20,000 won to 50,000 won.


Money wasted. Rolling Eyes


Meh,
I see fortune telling as a form of entertainment, much like anything like norebang or drinking.


It is also where people can go and talk about problems they are having without seeing a formal doctor about it.


My two cents.
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