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[VanIslander]

I'm not Maori, but I was thinking the other day about the Maori population and the number of Ka Mate haka performances in Seoul...does anyone know the stats?

[Rusty Shackleford]

If I see one more pissed up idiot "performing" a "haka" while overseas, I'm officially renouncing my NZ citizenship and becoming a Korean. The haka is a joke. Having said that, I swear I saw a maori lady in Changwon once. I tried to catch up to her to ask her where she was from but she gave me the slip.

[Thewhiteyalbum]

[sojukettle]

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Ka Mate haka rights part of $300m Treaty deal
Updated 9:09AM Wednesday Feb 11, 2009
Yvonne Tahana and NZPA


Rights over the Ka Mate haka were included in a $300 million deal signed with iwi today.

Kurahaupo Ki Te Waipounamu Trust, Tainui Taranaki ki te Tonga and Ngati Toa Rangatira, who together represent eight iwi, signed letters of agreement with the Crown this morning.

The three groups received over $170 million in redress and $128m in Crown forest rental, emission credits and other payments.

A special provision has been made for the haka in Ngati Toa Rangatira's settlement package.

No other settlement has attempted to deal with intellectual property issues before.

For years Ngati Toa have been unhappy with commercialism surrounding the haka. The 2006 Fiat ad in which Italian women gave a slap-dash rendition and most recently a Hollywood rugby movie Forever Strong annoyed iwi members because of the profit associated with the products.

Te Runanga o Toa Rangatira is negotiating the settlement, which includes recognition of the cultural significance to Ngati Toa and authorship - it was written by their famous ancestor Te Rauparaha.

The settlement letter said it would "record the authorship and significance of the haka" to Ngati Toa.

This will allow Ngati Toa to "address their concerns with the haka".

The Crown did not expect Ngati Toa to receive royalties or a veto on the performance of the haka.

"Ngati Toa's primary objective is to prevent the misappropriation and culturally inappropriate use of the Ka Mate haka."

The Crown also acknowledged the detention of Te Rauparaha without trial for 18 months, during which time much of the tribe's land was sold.

The letter of agreement is a significant marker along the way to full and final settlement.

As part of the settlement, Ngati Toa will receive $75.35 million in redress, with an additional $45.6 million made up of accumulated rentals on Crown forestry land and emissions credits.

The Kurahaupo Ki Te Waipounamu Trust will receive $42.41m in redress and $37.2m in lieu of redress over licensed Crown forest land.

Tainui Taranaki ki te Tonga will receive $53.69m in redress and $45.6m in Crown forest rental and emission credits.

Prime Minister John Key, Maori Affairs Minister Pita Sharples and Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations Minister Chris Finlayson represented the Crown at the settlement signings.

The three groups, representing 12,000 members based around the Wellington region and top of the South Island, have said the agreements settle all their historical Treaty of Waitangi claims.

- With NZPA

[soul rebels]

at a guess i say 20-30 maori in seoul.


if you wanting to find some maori to accuse of getting paid for the haka or something get your facts straight first. this settlement only involves one tribe ngati toa an 300 million is not for the haka "KA MATE" alone but mainly for stolen lands.

[Chris_Dixon]

your an idiot if you think the haka is a joke....

[itaewonguy]

[Beej]

Inform me Kiwis. The Haka is a traditional Maori war dance? I see white rugby players doing it. This to me seems ridiculous unless there is some history i dont know about.

[Rusty Shackleford]

[Thewhiteyalbum]

It's just lame when pissed up kiwis full of booze and lacking in any kind of appropriateness do a 'haka'.
A friend proudly told me about a subway car full of kiwis on the London tube taking over by doind a 'haka' on Waitangi Day and annoying the other passengers.

No wonder people think we are unsophisticated when we act like we are straight of the fcking farm.

when the haka is done correctly, however...now that is awesome.

[Thewhiteyalbum]

[soul rebels]

a lot of those white guys in the nz rugby union "the all blacks" and rugby league "the kiwis" teams you see doing the haka have some maori ancestry have you ever seen the nz maori rugby team almost half of them are white!

im white/pakeha kiwi i havnt done the haka since i was at high school actually the only haka i know the words to is Ka Mate the one used by the sports teams... as far as i know Ka mate means "death" an the next words in that haka is "Ka ora" which means "life" an its about a chief who had to hide in a kumara pit (sweet potato) underground from his enemies who wanted to kill him. the chief created that haka about that experience an his survival

[Rusty Shackleford]

Whites guys doing a haka before rugby games isn't a big deal. My white-bread, catholic private school's rugby team had a haka. And there were only a dozen or so maoris in the entire school. Most people have some maori ancestry though.

[Perceptioncheck]

[Rusty Shackleford]