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Looking to move to Seoul Korea in June

 
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Eric from Minnesota



Joined: 03 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:01 am    Post subject: Looking to move to Seoul Korea in June Reply with quote

Hello.

I am hoping to move to Seoul in June. I am a licensed k-12 ESL teacher and licensed social studies teacher from Minnesota. I have taught for 12 years, but the majority of my work has been with English speaking high school students. I have taught adult ESL conversation classes, part-time, for over three years. My resume will be up by the end of the week.

I am looking to find work in Seoul. I am best suited for work with High School age youths and adults. I expect to be paid a higher salary based upon my credentials. Anyone who might offer their assistance or services would be greatly appreciated.

Eric C.

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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I expect to be paid a higher salary based upon my credentials.


You might want to reconsider that.

If you've noticed, the 'schools' here are quite happy to accept anyone with a degree in any field, with no teaching experience whatsoever. They are not particularly looking for training and experience. Happy to get it, yes; but pay for it, not so much.
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Eric from Minnesota



Joined: 03 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:55 am    Post subject: Thanks for your insight. Reply with quote

If the school is offering a range of 2.3-2.7 million a month, I expect to be nearer to 2.7. Also, I'm going to play the field to find the better spots.

Thanks.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah. I thought you were talking about real money.
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Eric from Minnesota



Joined: 03 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL

No, not talking about real money. If that were the case, I might try getting work at one of international schools. However, I'm not sure I want the workload or the 2 year contract.
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Wisconsinite



Joined: 05 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The international schools in Korea offer many of the same benefits and better pay scale including some of the salary in USD. In addition, they get regular school holidays off (about 8 weeks over the year, maybe more) and you probably work a standard US school schedule..8-4 with 4-5 classes a day with prep built in. I would imagine it is run fairly the same as day schools in the US. A couple in Seoul are NAIS accredited, I would go with those ones. Not sure which ones but if you check the NAIS site, it will tell you.

Hagwans will make you work about 120 hours a week. Pay will be in won (which fluctuates) and many times it turns out badly (but some turn out good, I worked for a hagwon for 3 years and no I wasn't paid more because I had a teaching certificate). You get maybe 10 days of vacation per year. Teaching hours are weird, early morning for adults and kindergarten, late nights for school kids and adults.

Public schools will be about 22 hours a week of teaching but you have to be at school from 8-4, even if you don't have classes. You will get probably 21 days of vacation a year and you will be paid more for a teaching certificate but only about 300 or so per month. In the actual school it will not matter if you are a "real" teacher or not.

At hagwons and PS you will not be more revered for your teaching certificate. In fact, it can be quite hard to create a quality program because of the deeply rooted beliefs in how education should be. PS was hard for me. I couldn't do what I wanted, I wasn't respected for what I knew, and I had no real power over the curriculum and when and who got taught. Coming from schools where I run the classroom was very difficult.

Ultimately the decision is up to you where you want to work but finding a job in Seoul should be no problem. Keep checking Daves for job postings and apply to what sounds good for you. You are going to have to do the research yourself. Read the boards, see what people are saying (then disregard 75% of it, it's rubbish) get on blogs of people who live and work here. You have enough time to take your time and choose the right job and find out as much as you can. Good luck!

BTW: Where are you from in Minnesota? I'm from Wisconsin.
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Eric from Minnesota



Joined: 03 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for you feedback. I'm just in the beginning of looking for work in Seoul.
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Straphanger



Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Chilgok, Korea

PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wisconsinite wrote:
Hagwans will make you work about 120 hours a week. Pay will be in won (which fluctuates) and many times it turns out badly...

When a poster says things like this that are so obviously false (120 hours a week? Please...) or misleading (currencies fluctuate, things could have easily gone the other way), it's time to tune him out.

If you want to get paid in dollars, work for DODDS. They are everything you'd come to expect from a United States Government organization.
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definitely maybe



Joined: 16 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Straphanger wrote:
Wisconsinite wrote:
Hagwans will make you work about 120 hours a week. Pay will be in won (which fluctuates) and many times it turns out badly...

When a poster says things like this that are so obviously false (120 hours a week? Please...) or misleading (currencies fluctuate, things could have easily gone the other way), it's time to tune him out.

If you want to get paid in dollars, work for DODDS. They are everything you'd come to expect from a United States Government organization.


i think wisconsinite meant 120/month. aside from that mistake, he did have some valuable input. so does straphanger.

you should be aware of the garbage that some international schools will feed you here. not everything is above board, and they will throw out some insulting offers for prospective teachers if they think they can get away with it. one such school out in east seoul, first initial k, tried to offer so little, along with zero compensation for summer vacation, that i had to fight back laughter in the interview. they made three subsequent offers, each one far more desirable, but i didn't feel like i could trust them after the shit they tried to feed me the first time around.

i guess what i mean is that it pays to know what is out there. always ask for more when dealing with recruiters and reps too. proper interviewing techniques are just as valuable here as back home.
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, fire me a PM if I can be of help. Heading out the door now........gotta meet my buddy at I-Park.
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