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Whistleblower

Joined: 03 Feb 2007
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:11 am Post subject: The Korean Experience - Valuable or Not? |
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Hello all. Well some of you know that I have been working in Korea about 3 years and 3 months and I have returned back to the UK but I thought this would useful for those that think they could get a job in the UK after some time in Korea.
Let me give you some further information about this. I hold a CELTA that I got 2 years and 2 months ago and I recently returned to the UK with my family in tow. I had an interview with a school recently (accredited by the British Council) and basically the Director of Studies mentioned that my experience in Korea was worthless as I had no experience teaching international students.
I was shocked by this statement and mentioned that I had experience teaching a variety of students although it was in one country but it included business as well as general English.
I then asked about salary and she mentioned that as I had no post certificate CELTA experience in a British Council accredited school I would be on the lowest salary (like those that have just completed a CELTA in the UK).
Needless to say, I walked out of the interview a little perplexed and curious why a school would not appreciate any teaching experience abroad. Perhaps they were a bad school, perhaps the interviewer had a bad day or perhaps they were looking to cut costs.
Well I shall be providing more news about my job hunting in the UK on my blog but I get the impression that employers in the UK or elsewhere don't really appreciate your teaching experience in Korea. Interesting. |
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michaelambling
Joined: 31 Dec 2008 Location: Paradise
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:15 am Post subject: Re: The Korean Experience - Valuable or Not? |
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Whistleblower wrote: |
Hello all. Well some of you know that I have been working in Korea about 3 years and 3 months and I have returned back to the UK but I thought this would useful for those that think they could get a job in the UK after some time in Korea.
Let me give you some further information about this. I hold a CELTA that I got 2 years and 2 months ago and I recently returned to the UK with my family in tow. I had an interview with a school recently (accredited by the British Council) and basically the Director of Studies mentioned that my experience in Korea was worthless as I had no experience teaching international students.
I was shocked by this statement and mentioned that I had experience teaching a variety of students although it was in one country but it included business as well as general English.
I then asked about salary and she mentioned that as I had no post certificate CELTA experience in a British Council accredited school I would be on the lowest salary (like those that have just completed a CELTA in the UK).
Needless to say, I walked out of the interview a little perplexed and curious why a school would not appreciate any teaching experience abroad. Perhaps they were a bad school, perhaps the interviewer had a bad day or perhaps they were looking to cut costs.
Well I shall be providing more news about my job hunting in the UK on my blog but I get the impression that employers in the UK or elsewhere don't really appreciate your teaching experience in Korea. Interesting. |
I'm not surprised; the private TEFL industry is a seedy place, and a lot of employers try to weasel out of paying for experience. A university I worked at did this to a coworker once, so it's not limited to the private sector--and this didn't happen in the UK (or Korea). |
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Whistleblower

Joined: 03 Feb 2007
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:54 am Post subject: |
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I just wanted to highlight that your experience in Korea may not be as valued as you once expected and some employers in the UK would be willing to kick you in the nutts.
Hmm. |
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Slaps
Joined: 22 Jun 2007 Location: Sitting on top of the world
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:33 am Post subject: |
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Sounds like another good reason never to go back to that godforsaken isle. |
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Guri Guy

Joined: 07 Sep 2003 Location: Bamboo Island
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:39 am Post subject: |
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Sounds like another good reason never to go back to that godforsaken isle. |
South Korea isn't an island.  |
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stuey11
Joined: 13 Jun 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:51 am Post subject: .. |
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really??... |
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Guri Guy

Joined: 07 Sep 2003 Location: Bamboo Island
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:26 am Post subject: |
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Yes, really.
I suppose South Korea is sort of like an island. The only realistic way to get here is by plane or by boat, seeing as North Korea is a modern day hermit kingdom. So for all intents and purposes, it's an island.
godforsaken certainly describes it well anyway.  |
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endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Location: Seoul...my home
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:44 am Post subject: |
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I don't plan to make a career out of education, but I can see the potential pitfalls that teaching ELS in Korean may have for those that do.
Personally, moving to Korea (been there four years and will stay for one more) was easily one of the best decisions I ever made.
The memories and experiences I've had, along with the friends I've met are priceless.
Korea get to me at times, but I will always hold a special place ofr it in my heart.
And when I die I plan to have a portion of my ashes (15% burued somewhere her by one of my grandkids.
seriously! |
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Seon-bee
Joined: 24 Jan 2003 Location: ROK
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:33 am Post subject: |
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It depends on the DoS with whom you interview. Some do make decisions based on Korea's international reputation as a haven for babysitting cowboys. Obviously, that's prejudicial to make such assumptions. Teaching Koreans in Korea gives you international experience.
I think it's up to applicants to show not only what they've got to offer but also what they've done besides "teaching" classes. Do you have more than one good reference? A well-written resume? Can you talk competently about methodology/approaches? Can you demonstrate proof of professional development? Membership in associations such as IATEFL? Did you make any materials while in Korea? Did you write any papers? Do any "research" or engage in action research/reflection?
We're you able to sell yourself, your experience, and your skills?
Plenty of teachers around the world punch the clock in every type of context. However, you also can find great teachers--even in Korea. They work at universities, public schools, and (believe it or not) even language institutes. |
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Desuax
Joined: 30 Jan 2009
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:35 am Post subject: |
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yep, sticking to Korea... |
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aquaponics08

Joined: 22 Dec 2008 Location: Korea
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:50 am Post subject: |
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I chose to become an ESL teacher in 1995 after the military and working as a lab tech. There are definately things I'd have changed, like not staying in it so long and starting to save money earlier much than I did.
But on the other hand, I'm home for a couple weeks and the friends I've left behind are so parochial and focused on who won the games on the weekend or garbage regurgitated on TV. The biggest thing I would have done would have been to make an earlier exit strategy for myself. As it is, I've completed an MS Ed in Curriculum Design and am concentrating in Adobe software and designing online curriculum.
I've been buying gold and silver for several years as well, but can't see coming back to the USA and paying $10k to move back to a bad economy. I'll stay where I am for now and hone my software skills and learn SCORM and other standards I need to do to change jobs eventually. In the meantime, EPIK seems like an alright place to stay for now. Like any job, there are things I like about it, and things that drive me bat shit.................. |
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Whistleblower

Joined: 03 Feb 2007
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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Seon-bee wrote: |
It depends on the DoS with whom you interview. Some do make decisions based on Korea's international reputation as a haven for babysitting cowboys. Obviously, that's prejudicial to make such assumptions. Teaching Koreans in Korea gives you international experience.
I think it's up to applicants to show not only what they've got to offer but also what they've done besides "teaching" classes. Do you have more than one good reference? A well-written resume? Can you talk competently about methodology/approaches? Can you demonstrate proof of professional development? Membership in associations such as IATEFL? Did you make any materials while in Korea? Did you write any papers? Do any "research" or engage in action research/reflection?
We're you able to sell yourself, your experience, and your skills?
Plenty of teachers around the world punch the clock in every type of context. However, you also can find great teachers--even in Korea. They work at universities, public schools, and (believe it or not) even language institutes. |
I have done the following:
1. Member of IATEFL
2. Experience as Curriculum Development Manager
3. Cambridge Workshop (Seoul, 2009)
4. Good written references (both from a student and corporate client)
5. Experience teaching a range of levels and ages
6. Taught using a set curriculum and textbooks
7. BULATS Examiner
I am planning to become an IELTS Examiner so I don't really know why I received such a harsh interview but the interviewer kept on saying that I have limited experience teaching international students but I kept saying that I have experience teaching abroad (horses for courses).
I have another interview but I felt that the DoS was a bit harsh from the very start. She asked straight away, "Do you write the words using the phonetic alphabet to help pronunciation?" I said no but use drilling techniques and use them sparingly for particular difficulties especially for stress and pronunciation difficulties for students (for example the v,b,f,r,l that Koreans may have).
I also noticed that the school atmosphere was very cold and the DoS was old bat who had been in the job for a while. |
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arizona
Joined: 05 Dec 2008
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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I worked in Korea for about 6 years in Hagwons, a high school, and a college. When I came back to the States, they were very happy with my extensive foreign country experience as an ESL teacher and all my working experience was recognized. I 've been working in a high school as an ESL teacher. In my case, Korea experience was the best. |
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