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fiveeagles · Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: Vancouver

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83JDXXKzOXg

Too funny!

D.D. · Joined: 29 May 2008

Maybe the Mormons should try that here in Korea and the could recruit on Friday nights in the pub.

Ya-ta Boy · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994

Jesus himself was a bootlegger, so why not drink a little?

Biblethumper · Joined: 15 Dec 2007 Location: Busan, Korea

Wine maketh the heart glad.

Or as Jacob said of Judah, His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk.

There is no injunction against drinking alcohol in the Bible. In fact the Lord's Supper involves wine. (Although sometimes a special vow not to drink or cut one's hair was made.)

What the Bible does preach against is drunkenness, rioting and wantonness.

RACETRAITOR · Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea

An account of the teenage years of Jesus has also been included in the Bible (2nd Edition). It is believed that this new Biblical book, the Gospel according to Jesus' mate Dave, will detail the life of Jesus from age 13 to 19. Certain early miracles are alluded to such as Jesus turning the water into cheap strong dry cider and the miracle of the Removal of the Hangover.

Read it here:
http://www.b3ta.com/questions/cults/post47754

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

Although many of the people Jesus was preaching to were were perhaps precursors of ignorant "red necks", Jesus certainly was not - so it is highly unlikely that he made and distributed wine.

Here - from a Baptist website - a strong scriptural argument is made that the so-called wine was really just pure grape juice ...

(1) The blood of the grape is found in the vine, not in the vat. (2) This fresh "blood" of the grape is sometimes called "wine" though it is unfermented. Actually, the Hebrew word for "wine" here means only that it is "pressed out". It is a generic term for the extract of the grape, irregardless of its condition. (3) Since the "blood" of the grape is found in the vine, then the pure blood of the grape is the unfermented juice of the grape.
http://www.pbministries.org/Theology/Davis%20Huckabee/Sermons%20To%20Baptist%20Churches/ch20_wine_or_grape_juice.htm

Personally, I'm not fanatical about small amounts of alcohol which may have some health benefit, but intoxication obviously has many bad effects - some cumulative.

That 88 year-old lady on Ellen certainly seemed pretty sharp, though, and her remark about police in Austin stopping people for having Listorine was funny.

RACETRAITOR · Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea

Really? So you're saying Jesus didn't turn water to wine? That would be kind of a downer.

Harpeau · Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Location: Coquitlam, BC

itaewonguy · Joined: 25 Mar 2003

Red wine was a substitute for water in many cases! as water was not always avaliable in the desert and fluids needed to be drunk!

but I am sure people abused many things in those times..
harsh, wine, sex, crime, killing, cheating, you name it!

JESUS was probably a good man who was out to preach peace!
as he looked at the world and saw it was on a road to self destruction if something wasn't changed!

wine in moderation hurts no one...

Illysook · Joined: 30 Jun 2008

Turning water to wine was Jesus' first miracle. He performed no miracles before he was baptized. At the baptism, the Holy Spirit descended upon him. This was the official beginning of his ministry. Everything that he did was by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Having said that, I thought that the Ellen segment was hillarious!

nobbyken · Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Location: Yongin ^^

Never seen the Ellen bit, maybe it's on youtube somewhere?

Wine in bible times had the ability to get you drunk, never seen ordinary grape juice do that. The making of wine was used as a way for this region to kill all the nasties in the water. The Europeans made beer.
Jesus expected his disciples to partake of bread and wine, not to get merry, but because it was a staple diet at that time. I think if it was definately bad for us, there would be specific teaching in the bible.
The alcohol related teaching is on NOT being drunk, that is the state of mind when the devil has direct access to your control centre (mind) and you don't care for your consequences of actions.

Just my opinion.

RACETRAITOR · Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

My understanding of the Vedic view of Jesus is that he was an empowered avatar of God (or Vishnu).

Avataric incarnations are classified as two kinds

direct (sakshat)
indirect (avesa).

When Vishnu himself descends, he is called sakshat or shaktyavesa-avatara, a direct incarnation of God. But when he does not incarnate directly, but indirectly empowers some living entity to represent him, that living entity is called an indirect or avesa avatar.[12]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar

Illysook · Joined: 30 Jun 2008

Believing that Jesus was fully God, but fully human, may mean that he needed a lot of help from the Holy Spirit to do the things that he had to do. Miracles would be among those things.

RACETRAITOR · Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea

I'm with Rteacher on this. Maybe he was just God's sock.