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sojusucks



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:03 am    Post subject: US Embassy Powerplay? Reply with quote

Recently, I was talking with a young American woman about all the times she has renewed her visa and I've discovered something quite interesting.

During the previous Immigration rules, an American citizen could use an apostille from the US Embassy.

Currently from what I've been told, the US Embassy will no longer provide an apostille but will provide an affidavit form.

I have looked at the Immigration website that my friend sent me as I questioned the accuracy of what she said: http://www.immigration.go.kr/HP/IMM80/imm_09/1184186_37493.jsp. The site stated:
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In order to improve the documentation system for an E-2 visa applicants who got the criminal record certificate issued from his/her home country while staying in Korea or came to Korea imminently without proper Apostille certification, the verification of the consul in Korea on the criminal record certificate will be also regarded as valid.


I only hope that all of the Immigration offices in Korea know this for the sake of Americans.

Meanwhile from what I've read on Dave's, the requirements for Canadians have become more involved.

We all know that Koreans are biased towards hiring Americans and the British. What is interesting is that the US may actually be using this to their advantage.

Think about it: the US Embassy no longer offers an apostille service (why would they stop offering when they could make quite a bit of money from the service) and then Korea makes it alright for teachers already in the country to use the affidavit instead of the apostille. Meanshile, the procedure for Canadians are becoming more difficult. Is that because many Koreans in the ESL industry here think that most illegal teachers are Canadian (I am not stating facts but merely that a belief exists amond Koreans that I've spoken with)?

This could very well be a power play on behalf of the US Embassy. If so, others should follow. Our cosulates and embassies could help guide the E-2 visa requirements into a reasonable format, which is nice because Koreans obviously don't know what is and is not reasonable in this matter as is obvious from the multitude of posts on this website.

This is merely an observation from conversations and is not meant to act as fact.

What do other people think about this line of thought?
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Meanwhile from what I've read on Dave's, the requirements for Canadians have become more involved.


1. Is that true?

2. If true, how is the US Embassy behind it?

3. How does "(why would they stop offering when they could make quite a bit of money from the service)" fit into the conspiracy?
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buymybook



Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Location: Telluride

PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have gone a few rounds with the embassy, they first told me they would provide and affidavit but later rescinded....

After they e-mailed me, I went there but failed to get an affidavit. I later e-mailed them again a few times and complained. You will see that they apologized to me below(They e-mailed me 4 times which can be seen below...

Unfortunately U.S. embassies and consulates cannot authenticate diplomas or other documents from U.S. universities such as transcripts or degrees nor provide notarial services related to such credentials. Please refer to the following website for additional information: http://seoul.usembassy.gov/notarial_services.html

We can furnish you with an affidavit (please note: we are not certifying your written statement) or you can prepare a statement beforehand about your circumstances and bring it to our office for notarization. The cost is $30. You should check with the appropriate authorities whether this document alone would suffice. Please see our website for information regarding notary services: http://korea.usembassy.gov/notarial_services.html. No appointments are necessary.
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We are sorry to give out wrong information but State Department regulations say we cannot verify diplomas or transcripts. We are unable to provide you with affidavits that state the words diploma/transcripts/true copy/original.
Once again, we are sorry for the miscommunication. The staff at the window did in fact provide the right information.
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This is what is stated on our website:
U.S. embassies and consulates cannot authenticate diplomas or other documents from universities and other schools in the United States or provide notarial services related to such credentials," a procedure is delineated for persons who need US academic credentials abroad (copied below). If Korea is a member of the Hague Apostille Convention (para 3), once the person in Korea has the document, they need only get it officially translated into Korean there --- no need to come into the Consular Section.
In an effort to be of assistance to persons who wish to present academic credentials from the United States for use abroad, the following step-by-step guidance is provided.
I. COLLEGES, UNIVERSITIES AND OTHER POST-SECONDARY INSTITUTIONS
1. Obtain from the registrar of the University an official true copy of the credentials bearing the seal of the university. The registrar should then execute an affidavit attesting to the validity of the document before a notary public in the registrar's office or elsewhere at the university. Frequently the business office of colleges and universities have notaries public.
2. Take the document to the clerk of court of the county wherein the notary was licensed or commissioned to obtain a notarial certificate suitable for use abroad.
3. Transmit the document, with the notarial certificate to the state Notary Public Administrator for application of the state seal. If the country where the document will be used is a party to the Hague Apostille Convention, the state Notary Public Administrator will affix an apostille certificate and no further authentication is necessary. See the Hague Conference on Private International Law Apostille Page for a current list of countries party to the treaty. The treaty is in force in more than 87 countries.

In an effort to be of assistance to persons who wish to present academic credentials from the United States for use abroad, the following step-by-step guidance is provided.
I. COLLEGES, UNIVERSITIES AND OTHER POST-SECONDARY INSTITUTIONS
1. Obtain from the registrar of the University an official true copy of the credentials bearing the seal of the university. The registrar should then execute an affidavit attesting to the validity of the document before a notary public in the registrar's office or elsewhere at the university. Frequently the business office of colleges and universities have notaries public.
2. Take the document to the clerk of court of the county wherein the notary was licensed or commissioned to obtain a notarial certificate suitable for use abroad.
3. Transmit the document, with the notarial certificate to the state Notary Public Administrator for application of the state seal. If the country where the document will be used is a party to the Hague Apostille Convention, the state Notary Public Administrator will affix an apostille certificate and no further authentication is necessary. See the Hague Conference on Private International Law Apostille Page for a current list of countries party to the treaty. The treaty is in force in more than 87 countries.
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Unfortunately, as stated on the state department website and our Embassy website, we cannot furnish you with an affidavit in this case � as it pertains to diplomas/transcripts and such. That is probably what our staff at the window meant.
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moosehead



Joined: 05 May 2007

PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

to my knowledge the US embassy has never provided an apostille for any documents whatsoever - why should they?

I have, however, provided them with an affidavit I prepared and they did notarize it - this was in regards to my crc - and Kimmi accepted it, no problem.

no conspiracy, nada.

I think some people are just a tad bit confused over what an embassy can and cannot do.
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