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Putting The (Very Expensive) Cart Before The Horse

 
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SHANE02



Joined: 04 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:31 pm    Post subject: Putting The (Very Expensive) Cart Before The Horse Reply with quote

Note to Korean govt: making a hub or a FEZ or an international zone does not in itself make your country more open to western business ideas or investment.

Future of Korea's First Int'l School Uncertain
The W150 billion New Songdo City International School will be dedicated in the Incheon Free Economic Zone in April, but nobody knows when it will open for business (US$1=W1,506). It was originally supposed to open in October this year, but that now seems impossible due to lack of foreign students in Songdo.
If the quota is filled, the school would have a total of 2,100 students for kindergarten, primary and secondary classes. The FEZ had planned to increase the number of new students gradually every year as it hoped the foreign population there would grow. It can only recruit 30 percent Korean students.

A mere 744 foreigners are registered in the Songdo FEZ, with only about 50 of them born after 1990 and thus of school age. Even if all of them were to enter this school, the school would still only have 65 students including the permitted 15 Koreans.

The International School Service, which is to run the school, is against opening it with such a small intake. ISS, a non-profit corporation based in New Jersey, runs about 100 schools worldwide on behalf of their foundations.

The idea for the Songdo international school was first conceived in 2005. Back then, New Songdo International City Development, a joint-venture of Gale Real Estate of the U.S. and Korea's POSCO Construction, decided to build it as part of infrastructure aimed at attracting foreign investment to an international business district in the FEZ.

Construction began in March 2006. The school was originally scheduled to open in September last year, but delays in construction pushed it back until this coming October.

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http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200902/200902230002.html
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justaguy



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's ironic that so many foreigners complained about the lack of education for their children in Korea. The Koreans build a school for these students and the foreigners won't put their kids in it.
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sobriquet



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a dozen international schools in Seoul.

Reading the reviews of them though, they appear to all have gyopos or Korean kids squeezed in somehow.
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espoir



Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

justaguy wrote:
It's ironic that so many foreigners complained about the lack of education for their children in Korea. The Koreans build a school for these students and the foreigners won't put their kids in it.


Whats actually ironic is the fact that they built a massive and expensive school in an area that houses so few school aged foreigners. Well I guess thats not so much ironic as it is moronic.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting this came up. I just gave a 1.5 hour interview to a PR branch of a Korean organization on FEZs, HUBS and CLUSTERS, and the Songdo, Incheon, Yeongjeon area came up. Come to find out, my views, while grounded in a barrel of research, didn't go over too well, nor did my projections on the long-term impact of the increasing household debt on the embedded Korean socio-economic system.

Anyhow, I got a rough draft of the article (in Korean) back from the interviewer, and it included pretty much nothing about most of our discussion. It was extremely abreviated to say the least. So I wrote back with some corrections and suggestions. A few days later, I got another draft, with the explaination that the head honcho had decided to really whittle it down. Ended up being about a paragraph, and only touched on the positive aspects of Korea's strategy that I mentioned.

So there it is. Songdo. Fighting.
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Crockpot2001



Joined: 01 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Putting The (Very Expensive) Cart Before The Horse Reply with quote

SHANE02 wrote:
Note to Korean govt: making a hub or a FEZ or an international zone does not in itself make your country more open to western business ideas or investment.

Future of Korea's First Int'l School Uncertain
The W150 billion New Songdo City International School will be dedicated in the Incheon Free Economic Zone in April, but nobody knows when it will open for business (US$1=W1,506). It was originally supposed to open in October this year, but that now seems impossible due to lack of foreign students in Songdo.
If the quota is filled, the school would have a total of 2,100 students for kindergarten, primary and secondary classes. The FEZ had planned to increase the number of new students gradually every year as it hoped the foreign population there would grow. It can only recruit 30 percent Korean students.

A mere 744 foreigners are registered in the Songdo FEZ, with only about 50 of them born after 1990 and thus of school age. Even if all of them were to enter this school, the school would still only have 65 students including the permitted 15 Koreans.

The International School Service, which is to run the school, is against opening it with such a small intake. ISS, a non-profit corporation based in New Jersey, runs about 100 schools worldwide on behalf of their foundations.

The idea for the Songdo international school was first conceived in 2005. Back then, New Songdo International City Development, a joint-venture of Gale Real Estate of the U.S. and Korea's POSCO Construction, decided to build it as part of infrastructure aimed at attracting foreign investment to an international business district in the FEZ.

Construction began in March 2006. The school was originally scheduled to open in September last year, but delays in construction pushed it back until this coming October.

([email protected] )
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200902/200902230002.html


It's very nice inside. Wink
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itaewonguy



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

justaguy wrote:
It's ironic that so many foreigners complained about the lack of education for their children in Korea. The Koreans build a school for these students and the foreigners won't put their kids in it.


probably because it costs a small fortune! and there are so many other schools around! and its out of the way..
and not to mention it will be 95% korean students! whose parents managed to bride the owner to let them in!
can you say glorified hakwon!!
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moosehead



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sobriquet wrote:
There are a dozen international schools in Seoul.

Reading the reviews of them though, they appear to all have gyopos or Korean kids squeezed in somehow.



yeah kinda like polyschool for returnee students where 3/4 of the students have never been abroad/speak little E Rolling Eyes
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taiwan_girl



Joined: 13 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

moosehead wrote:
sobriquet wrote:
There are a dozen international schools in Seoul.

Reading the reviews of them though, they appear to all have gyopos or Korean kids squeezed in somehow.



yeah kinda like polyschool for returnee students where 3/4 of the students have never been abroad/speak little E Rolling Eyes


I think that compared to a lot of other large Asian cities, there is a relatively small expat (with family) population. The majority of foreigners are military, and if they have families, they are educated at the military schools. The other large group of foreigners are those that teach, and most are on single status or married with no children.

Having said that, it is possible to get a very good education from the international schools, but you have to be careful and do your homework (no pun intended!) prior to having children start to ensure that you pick the best one.
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justaguy



Joined: 01 Jan 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

itaewonguy wrote:
justaguy wrote:
It's ironic that so many foreigners complained about the lack of education for their children in Korea. The Koreans build a school for these students and the foreigners won't put their kids in it.


probably because it costs a small fortune! and there are so many other schools around! and its out of the way..
and not to mention it will be 95% korean students! whose parents managed to bride the owner to let them in!
can you say glorified hakwon!!


You're right. Last time I checked the cost for a foreign student to attend an international school was in the 2 million+ per month range. It was so expensive for most of my co-workers with children that they went home. It was cheaper and easier for them to be a stay at home mom in America than be a working mom here.
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRagic wrote:
Interesting this came up. I just gave a 1.5 hour interview to a PR branch of a Korean organization on FEZs, HUBS and CLUSTERS, and the Songdo, Incheon, Yeongjeon area came up. Come to find out, my views, while grounded in a barrel of research, didn't go over too well, nor did my projections on the long-term impact of the increasing household debt on the embedded Korean socio-economic system.

Anyhow, I got a rough draft of the article (in Korean) back from the interviewer, and it included pretty much nothing about most of our discussion. It was extremely abreviated to say the least. So I wrote back with some corrections and suggestions. A few days later, I got another draft, with the explaination that the head honcho had decided to really whittle it down. Ended up being about a paragraph, and only touched on the positive aspects of Korea's strategy that I mentioned.

So there it is. Songdo. Fighting.


If you don't mind, I'd love to hear about what kinds of projections you made, and I'm sure others would too...
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Crockpot2001



Joined: 01 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdninkorea wrote:
PRagic wrote:
Interesting this came up. I just gave a 1.5 hour interview to a PR branch of a Korean organization on FEZs, HUBS and CLUSTERS, and the Songdo, Incheon, Yeongjeon area came up. Come to find out, my views, while grounded in a barrel of research, didn't go over too well, nor did my projections on the long-term impact of the increasing household debt on the embedded Korean socio-economic system.

Anyhow, I got a rough draft of the article (in Korean) back from the interviewer, and it included pretty much nothing about most of our discussion. It was extremely abreviated to say the least. So I wrote back with some corrections and suggestions. A few days later, I got another draft, with the explaination that the head honcho had decided to really whittle it down. Ended up being about a paragraph, and only touched on the positive aspects of Korea's strategy that I mentioned.

So there it is. Songdo. Fighting.


If you don't mind, I'd love to hear about what kinds of projections you made, and I'm sure others would too...


Me too, especially regarding Songdo since it's why I'm here.
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Guri Guy



Joined: 07 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am sure the tutition fees will be sky high in order to pay for this new school.

Sounds like a "White Elephant" to me.
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SHANE02



Joined: 04 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

taiwan_girl wrote:
moosehead wrote:
sobriquet wrote:
There are a dozen international schools in Seoul.

Reading the reviews of them though, they appear to all have gyopos or Korean kids squeezed in somehow.



yeah kinda like polyschool for returnee students where 3/4 of the students have never been abroad/speak little E Rolling Eyes


I think that compared to a lot of other large Asian cities, there is a relatively small expat (with family) population. The majority of foreigners are military, and if they have families, they are educated at the military schools. The other large group of foreigners are those that teach, and most are on single status or married with no children.

Having said that, it is possible to get a very good education from the international schools, but you have to be careful and do your homework (no pun intended!) prior to having children start to ensure that you pick the best one.



What's the best one in your opinion?
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