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		| NAVFC 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:31 am    Post subject: North Korea deploys new missile, increases special ops force |   |  
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				| http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090223/wl_nm/us_korea_north_1;_ylt=AlJhEvYt3fwQSVnG3guZAUgBS5Z4 
 
 
 Well.. a new type of missile deployed? bolstering the armed forces numbers?
 adding to your special forces?
 
 This doesnt look good. In all my knowledge all of these moves are consistent with a country preparing to engage in armed conflict.
 
 Since 70 percent of NorKo's main forces are deployed within range of the DMZ It's hard to gauge..
 
 Furthermore, since North Korea is known for sabre rattling and with the US/ROK annual exercises coming up soon, its hard to see if these preparations are done in anticipation of that.
 
 However, looking at this from a normal nation perspective these actions bare all the hall marks of preparations for war.
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		| Ukon 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:38 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| North isn't going to war....hell, even if Kim Jong Il himself declared it, I doubt they would go to war. 
 All the elites know they'd lose and likely be out on the streets after the eventual loss or worse....be declared as war criminals. It's not like China would protect them since they're against any war  with the south and international pressure would be extremely negative if they did harbor the elites.
 
 I wouldn't be susprised if the reason Unification hasn't happened is becuase all the elites would be out of a job once the public relized the lies they've been told. The North Korean won is worthless.....many of them have outdated educations too.....far as I know, all the east german elites and stasi members didn't ride out the unification of germany well.
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		| NAVFC 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 11:07 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | North isn't going to war....hell, even if Kim Jong Il himself declared it, I doubt they would go to war. 
 All the elites know they'd lose and likely be out on the streets after the eventual loss or worse....be declared as war criminals. It's not like China would protect them since they're against any war  with the south and international pressure would be extremely negative if they did harbor the elites.
 
 I wouldn't be susprised if the reason Unification hasn't happened is becuase all the elites would be out of a job once the public relized the lies they've been told. The North Korean won is worthless.....many of them have outdated educations too.....far as I know, all the east german elites and stasi members didn't ride out the unification of germany well.
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 Heh. Maybe not but North Korea's actions as of late are consistent with preparing for armed conflict. They seem to be panicking now that the leader of South Korea will no longer just bend to their every whim, and the amount of aid they are getting has decreased substantially. This, added to the fact that numerous cross border ventures are suspended, taking away another source of income for the state.
 
 I'm surprised the Chinese haven't spoken up on North Korea's recent actions, the missile sabre rattling, the cutting of political and diplomatic ties with the South and so forth.
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		| itaewonguy 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:21 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| north korea could do catastrophic damage before the US could even deploy their ships into battle position, and then run a full assault. the damage would be enough to cripple this nation financially!  pretty much send seoul back into the stone age! send all foreigns running for their lives back to their countries!
 
 and who knows about the chemical warfare that the north could release into the major cities or water supply!
 
 forget it, if the north really wanted to destroy the south they could do it..
 sure eventually they would lose. but the damage they would have caused would be enough for the south picking up the pieces for the next 50 years!
 and  I 'd hate to think how many lives would be lost! but im guessing in the millions!!
 
 
 imagine what 300.000 missiles flying in the night sky would look like heading right for seoul, daegu, pusan etc...
 then an army of 1 million brainwashed soldiers running over the boarder and into seoul..
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		| NAVFC 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:42 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Itaewon guy if North Korea does attack it will likely be iniated by an attack designed to cause chaos.. to throw the South Korean govrnment into disarray as to hinder a coordinated response 
 Given us committments elsewhere, it would be awhile before we could muster the ground forces to push into North Korea and take Pyongyang
 (current US OPLANs call for overthrow of the North Korean regime and abolition of the state in response to any invasion attempt by the North)
 
 this would be advantageous to the North, who could then attempt using their sheer #s to overwhelm the technologicallly superior southern military.
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		| mises 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:49 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I suppose if the rockets start flying across the border into Seoul, the canuckleheads in Seoul might take a short break from their oral essays about how racist America is, and don't forget "!health care!", to whine that they're not eligible for air evac with Uncle Sam. 
 
 Anyways, I think it very unlikely. The North doesn't need to inspire an existential threat beyond their economy. An attack on the ROK is the end of the north, one way or the other.
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				|  Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:19 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | I suppose if the rockets start flying across the border into Seoul, the canuckleheads in Seoul might take a short break from their oral essays about how racist America is, and don't forget "!health care!", to whine that they're not eligible for air evac with Uncle Sam. 
 
 Anyways, I think it very unlikely. The North doesn't need to inspire an existential threat beyond their economy. An attack on the ROK is the end of the north, one way or the other.
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 For the North their economy is their existence. That is why they rabble their sabres when ever aid decrease/cutoff is threatened.
 
 
 If the Northern economy reaches the point where they could collapse the only choice they have is to lash out.
 
 A. Lash out
 
 b. collapse.
 
 both choices result in their end, but A for them would be much more honorable.
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		| aquaponics08 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:38 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| They launched the missles and used the same BS rhetoric back in the 1990's when they announced Kim, Jong-il would be taking over. The usual sabre rattling from a bankrupt, nearly failed state with very few things to bargin with. Meanwhile, a good % of their people may starve this year. |  | 
	
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		| On the other hand 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:52 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | If the Northern economy reaches the point where they could collapse the only choice they have is to lash out. 
 A. Lash out
 
 b. collapse.
 
 both choices result in their end, but A for them would be much more honorable.
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 If it ever got to the point where it looked like NK was going to collapse, I am pretty sure China would pony up the extra funds to keep the show going. They've supported the regime this long, so presumbaly they must think they have an ongoing interest in the stability of the Kim Dynasty.
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		| ManintheMiddle 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 1:46 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | They've supported the regime this long, so presumbaly they must think they have an ongoing interest in the stability of the Kim Dynasty. |  
 Yes, it's called stemming the exodus of DPRK refugees into DongBei, thereby destablizing the region.
 
 If I were one of the boys from Zhongnanhai, I do the same.
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				|  Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:48 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | If the Northern economy reaches the point where they could collapse the only choice they have is to lash out. 
 A. Lash out
 
 b. collapse.
 
 both choices result in their end, but A for them would be much more honorable.
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 If it ever got to the point where it looked like NK was going to collapse, I am pretty sure China would pony up the extra funds to keep the show going. They've supported the regime this long, so presumbaly they must think they have an ongoing interest in the stability of the Kim Dynasty.
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 With issues of succession coming up it may not be that easy. Rumors abide  are that at the news of Kim Jung Un's succession, a element within the North Korean military is lying in wait at the chance to overthrow him and take over once KJI is gone.
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		| wesharris 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 2:26 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Fairly simple time line here: 
 1.~ North Korea hits Seoul with massive artillery barrages, followed by a run over the border with everything they have stationed "ON" the border. 2.~ South Korea responds with artillery strikes of their own, mobilize all available military personnel , send Naval strike forces to the Norther Coast, prepare a counter assault to kill all counter assaults.
 3.~ International outrage rouses world Opinion, North Korea condemned in the UN.
 4.~ North Korean Aid cut off by China, food riots start within weeks.
 5.~ South Korean Aircraft control the skies, Naval units control the sea, and most artillery is destroyed.
 6.~ Without Oil the North Korean Military machine grounds to a halt within weeks of the initial assault.
 7.~ the South Korean Military pushes deep into North Korea, occupying wide swathes of land, occupying cities, and instituting Martial Law.
 8.~ China intervenes taking Pyongyang, leaving South Korea with a good bit of land south of the capital, and a new border, with  a nation that doesn't want to consume it outright.
 9.~ Rebuilding efforts both national and private increase employment, allowing South Korea to concentrate it's economic capacity more towards the internal market, than it's previous export economics.
 10.~ Won strengthens as ties to Western economic success weaken, and internal consumption drives the national economy.
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 I Like it . Let's go to war.
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		| WendyRose 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 4:02 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Don't know about you, but I'd rather the won stay where it is and not put any lives in danger. |  | 
	
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		| Jeff's Cigarettes 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 4:12 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Not me, I waiting for full out war. Wanna see how tough the South is. |  | 
	
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		| samcheokguy 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 4:18 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Well I guess living nowhere has an advantage, but you Seoul people are toast. |  | 
	
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