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What constitutes an overtime class?

 
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AussieGav



Joined: 02 Sep 2007
Location: Uijeongbu

PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:05 pm    Post subject: What constitutes an overtime class? Reply with quote

I work in a GEPIK Middle School and it looks like this semester I may go over the 22 classes covered under the contract. I will have 21 or 22 regular classes, two or three after school classes (drama club and newspaper club) and five Englishee Zone sessions (held during lunchtime).

The questions I have are:

Are all of these, in excess of 22, classified as overtime classes?
How is record kept and who keeps it?

Any other general information about this would be greatly appreciated.
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fromtheuk



Joined: 31 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anything over 22 hours counts as overtime. My co-teacher keeps a record of how many OT hours I work. Every so often, she asks me to sign a paper which confirms the OT hours worked, then eventually you get paid for them.

After you build up a certain number of OT hours, they'll pay you for them.
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nomad-ish



Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: On the bottom of the food chain

PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ not only that, but it includes any hours that you teach outside your 8 working hours a day.
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sobriquet



Joined: 16 Feb 2007
Location: Nakatomi Plaza

PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup

I used to get an hours overtime for starting at 8:15 rather than 8:30.

That was when the school padded out my timetable with phantom teachers classes to keep the POE off their back
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Otherside



Joined: 06 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup. Anything in excess of 22 classes a week is overtime.

By your calculations, you will be teaching 28-30 classes a week. That's 6-8 hours of overtime a week.

But beware!!! Say you have 6 classes on a monday and one of the following happens:
1. Public/school Holiday.
2. Sports day etc. so classes are cancelled.

BOOM. You've just lost your OT for the week.

You've been around a bit, so you'll know how often classes are cancelled, and everytime a class is cancelled (usually at the last minute) it costs you overtime.

For this reason, I'm very wary of working overtime. On average, 2 weeks a month I have classes cancelled, and thus working "overtime" often equates to working harder for less. (or technically the same)
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sobriquet



Joined: 16 Feb 2007
Location: Nakatomi Plaza

PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Otherside wrote:
Yup. Anything in excess of 22 classes a week is overtime.

By your calculations, you will be teaching 28-30 classes a week. That's 6-8 hours of overtime a week.

But beware!!! Say you have 6 classes on a monday and one of the following happens:
1. Public/school Holiday.
2. Sports day etc. so classes are cancelled.

BOOM. You've just lost your OT for the week.

You've been around a bit, so you'll know how often classes are cancelled, and everytime a class is cancelled (usually at the last minute) it costs you overtime.

For this reason, I'm very wary of working overtime. On average, 2 weeks a month I have classes cancelled, and thus working "overtime" often equates to working harder for less. (or technically the same)


never lost mine because of that
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Otherside



Joined: 06 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sobriquet, so you are telling me that on the Chuseok weekend (or another similar occasion, where 3 days or so of school are cancelled) you'll still get paid your 3,4,5,6 or 10 hours of overtime even though you only taught 10 classes the whole week?
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sobriquet



Joined: 16 Feb 2007
Location: Nakatomi Plaza

PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Otherside wrote:
sobriquet, so you are telling me that on the Chuseok weekend (or another similar occasion, where 3 days or so of school are cancelled) you'll still get paid your 3,4,5,6 or 10 hours of overtime even though you only taught 10 classes the whole week?


Yes.

Is it hard to understand?
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alex83



Joined: 03 May 2007

PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, for those hours outside your 8 official hours, it's your choice to work.
So, negotiate an hourly rate with them that you're happy with (if you want to do it at all!)
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ardis



Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Otherside wrote:
Yup. Anything in excess of 22 classes a week is overtime.

By your calculations, you will be teaching 28-30 classes a week. That's 6-8 hours of overtime a week.

But beware!!! Say you have 6 classes on a monday and one of the following happens:
1. Public/school Holiday.
2. Sports day etc. so classes are cancelled.

BOOM. You've just lost your OT for the week.

You've been around a bit, so you'll know how often classes are cancelled, and everytime a class is cancelled (usually at the last minute) it costs you overtime.

For this reason, I'm very wary of working overtime. On average, 2 weeks a month I have classes cancelled, and thus working "overtime" often equates to working harder for less. (or technically the same)


I've never had an issue with this, nor have any of my EPIK/SMOE friends. I don't think this happens to the majority of us.
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