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THE BIG LIBERAL LIE: CIA Rendition Policy

 
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ManintheMiddle



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 6:50 pm    Post subject: THE BIG LIBERAL LIE: CIA Rendition Policy Reply with quote

So the feeding frenzy of the liberal media has begun. It continued acts of "binding the nation's wounds" in the "spirit of bipartisanship" the Democratic Party leaders are doing anything but that. John Conyers, whose wife faces indictment on fraud charges, is himself leading the charge to bring the Bush Administration to court. Then we've got Eric Holder declaring rather smugly that the policy of rendition is under review. And of course the Messiah himself has signaled the end to the era of torture.

But here's a dirty little secret: the rendition policy was formulated during the CLINTON administration. Bush merely expanded it to meet the new demands, i.e. a growing number of captured Al-Qaida operatives.

Of course only FoxNews has reported this--oh, and Robert Gates has acknowledged as much and last time I checked he was still the Secretary of Defense. Leon Panetta also begrudgingly admitted as much under duress during his confirmation hearings.

And so it goes--tell a big lie often enough and they'll believe it.

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Bush-era memo claims unfettered rendition powers
By PAMELA HESS, Associated Press Writer Pamela Hess, Associated Press Writer
Mar 2, 2009

WASHINGTON � A newly released Bush administration legal memo from 2002 claimed that the president has an unfettered right to transfer suspected terrorists to other governments without regard for whether they would be subject to torture.

The memo appears to underpin the Bush administration's use of extraordinary rendition, a secret program of moving terror detainees to nations where they were imprisoned and, in some cases, reportedly tortured.

The document is one of nine made public Monday detailing the Bush administration's expansive definition of presidential power.

When the memo was written on March 13, 2002, the White House legal office had already decided that al-Qaida and Taliban detainees were not protected by the Geneva Conventions, the international treaty the governs the treatment of prisoners of war.

The Obama White House is reviewing the entire detention and rendition program.

CIA Director Leon Panetta has said the United States will continue to engage in extraordinary rendition but will use it rarely and will be more selective about the countries prisoners are sent to. Some of the prisoners who have been transferred by the United States to other countries claim they were tortured.

The memo on extraordinary rendition, written by Jay S. Bybee, then assistant attorney general in the office of legal counsel, further said that prisoners held outside the United States were not protected by U.S. laws against torture, nor against an international treaty banning torture.

The Bybee memo also said that a 1998 law making it U.S. policy not to hand over prisoners to country where they may be tortured was invalid because it unconstitutionally interferes with presidential powers.

However, the possibility that prisoners might be tortured after a transfer to another government outside the criminal justice system appeared to be on the minds of George W. Bush's White House lawyers. The memo suggested ways to U.S. officials could transfer prisoners to countries where they may indeed be tortured without making them legally liable for their treatment.

"To fully shield our personnel from criminal liability, it is important that the United States not enter in an agreement with a foreign country, explicitly or implicitly, to transfer a detainee to that country for the purpose of having the individual tortured," Bybee wrote.

"So long as the United States doe not intend for a detainee to be tortured post-transfer, however, no criminal liability will attach to a transfer even if the foreign country receiving the detainee does torture him," he wrote.

Jameel Jaffer, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's national security project, said the memo, taken with the others released Monday, shows the White House used the war on terror to claim broad powers.

"These memos were meant to provide the president with a blank check with respect to the rights of not only prisoners overseas but people in the United States as well," he said.

Steven Bradbury, the Bush administration's last principal deputy assistant attorney general, wrote in a Jan. 15 parting memo that the expansive findings about presidential powers had long since been superseded or withdrawn.
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catman



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't care if the blame is spread around. Of course I'm not a Democrat either.
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Jeff's Cigarettes



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say go for it, �Bring it on�, but the commission would have access to national security secrets, and we all Know how well Leaky Leahy and his cohorts treat those.

In the effort to OBEY Teh Majic One and be �bi-partisan� I�m willing to meet them half way. Once any liberal communist can cite me one, just one, actual statute that Bush may have violated, showing the specific elements of the offense, same as required before a PC affidavit can be written, a warrant served, or an arrest made, then I will gladly entertain the thought of a �Twoof Duma�. Until, then they can pound sand.

Again, just for our reading comprehension impaired libtards;

1. Cite the specific U.S. statute or ratified treaty that Bush allegedly violated.
2. Demonstrate the specific actions of Bush which meet the element of the offense.

And don�t give me the tired old bullshit �Illegal War� or �torture�. The crimes you cite must state specific actions and meet the legal definition of the offense.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you read Vincent Bugliosi's The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder?

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I set forth an airtight legal case against George Bush that proves beyond all reasonable doubt that George Bush took this nation to war under false pretenses, on a lie, in Iraq, and therefore, under the law, he is guilty of murder for the deaths of over 4,000 young American soldiers in Iraq fighting his war, not your war or my war or America�s war, but his war.

...

I put together a case against George Bush that could result�it absolutely could result in his being prosecuted for first-degree murder in an American courtroom. I set forth the legal architecture against him, the overwhelming evidence of his guilt and the jurisdiction to prosecute him.



Recall that it was Bugliosi who successfully prosecuted Charles Manson for murder even though Manson himself never killed anybody. That is only one case from this renowned prosecutor with a perfect 21-0 record in murder prosecutions, so it is nothing to sneeze at.
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Hater Depot



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not against rendition in all cases, just when it is used to send people to countries where they'll be tortured because we don't want to get our hands dirty. Absent torture, there is no problem. I doubt you will find many people to disagree with that position.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
Have you read Vincent Bugliosi's The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder?

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I set forth an airtight legal case against George Bush that proves beyond all reasonable doubt that George Bush took this nation to war under false pretenses, on a lie, in Iraq, and therefore, under the law, he is guilty of murder for the deaths of over 4,000 young American soldiers in Iraq fighting his war, not your war or my war or America�s war, but his war.

...

I put together a case against George Bush that could result�it absolutely could result in his being prosecuted for first-degree murder in an American courtroom. I set forth the legal architecture against him, the overwhelming evidence of his guilt and the jurisdiction to prosecute him.



Recall that it was Bugliosi who successfully prosecuted Charles Manson for murder even though Manson himself never killed anybody. That is only one case from this renowned prosecutor with a perfect 21-0 record in murder prosecutions, so it is nothing to sneeze at.


Anybody can make claims. The fact of that matter is despite this "airtight case" Bush is still walking around free many months afterwards.

His "airtight case" exists only in his mind...or Bush would be facing charges by now. Don't confuse a washed-up has-been promoting his book with the actual facts. Where's Denny K. by the way and his crusade to bring Bush to justice?
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
bacasper wrote:
Have you read Vincent Bugliosi's The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder?

Quote:
I set forth an airtight legal case against George Bush that proves beyond all reasonable doubt that George Bush took this nation to war under false pretenses, on a lie, in Iraq, and therefore, under the law, he is guilty of murder for the deaths of over 4,000 young American soldiers in Iraq fighting his war, not your war or my war or America�s war, but his war.

...

I put together a case against George Bush that could result�it absolutely could result in his being prosecuted for first-degree murder in an American courtroom. I set forth the legal architecture against him, the overwhelming evidence of his guilt and the jurisdiction to prosecute him.



Recall that it was Bugliosi who successfully prosecuted Charles Manson for murder even though Manson himself never killed anybody. That is only one case from this renowned prosecutor with a perfect 21-0 record in murder prosecutions, so it is nothing to sneeze at.


Anybody can make claims. The fact of that matter is despite this "airtight case" Bush is still walking around free many months afterwards.

Newsflash: In America, we only lock people up AFTER they have been charged and convicted which sometimes occurs only many years after the commission of the crimes.


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His "airtight case" exists only in his mind...or Bush would be facing charges by now. Don't confuse a washed-up has-been promoting his book with the actual facts. Where's Denny K. by the way and his crusade to bring Bush to justice?

I don't think you'd want this "washed-up has-been" trying you for murder. He just needs a prosecutor to charge Bush. Had Charlotte Dennett won her election in Vermont, the case would be going by now.

Who's Denny K.?
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
bacasper wrote:
Have you read Vincent Bugliosi's The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder?

Quote:
I set forth an airtight legal case against George Bush that proves beyond all reasonable doubt that George Bush took this nation to war under false pretenses, on a lie, in Iraq, and therefore, under the law, he is guilty of murder for the deaths of over 4,000 young American soldiers in Iraq fighting his war, not your war or my war or America�s war, but his war.

...

I put together a case against George Bush that could result�it absolutely could result in his being prosecuted for first-degree murder in an American courtroom. I set forth the legal architecture against him, the overwhelming evidence of his guilt and the jurisdiction to prosecute him.



Recall that it was Bugliosi who successfully prosecuted Charles Manson for murder even though Manson himself never killed anybody. That is only one case from this renowned prosecutor with a perfect 21-0 record in murder prosecutions, so it is nothing to sneeze at.


Anybody can make claims. The fact of that matter is despite this "airtight case" Bush is still walking around free many months afterwards.

Newsflash: In America, we only lock people up AFTER they have been charged and convicted which sometimes occurs only many years after the commission of the crimes.


Quote:
His "airtight case" exists only in his mind...or Bush would be facing charges by now. Don't confuse a washed-up has-been promoting his book with the actual facts. Where's Denny K. by the way and his crusade to bring Bush to justice?

I don't think you'd want this "washed-up has-been" trying you for murder. He just needs a prosecutor to charge Bush. Had Charlotte Dennett won her election in Vermont, the case would be going by now.

Who's Denny K.?



I thought 'ole Buggy WAS a prosecutor..why does he need one? And if he can't even find one after all this time, it doesn't look good now does it?
Had Charlotte Dennett won her election, there would still be no case as there is none to begin with. He's just trying to flog his book.

Denny K=Dennis Kucinich.

Weren't you all agog over him a few months back? And what happened to that?

Bush will ride off into the sunset and live in freedom for the rest of his life, while people like you waste theirs obsessing about something they can never change and never will. Seriously isn't it time to move on? Get on with your life, don't let Bush control it.
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