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tsm174
Joined: 21 Jan 2009 Location: Dongtan, South Korea
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:54 am Post subject: How important is a good reference for you second job? |
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Hey guys, I need some opinions and advice about my (and my girlfriend's) current situation. Just as a quick background, we got jobs at the same school, and share an apartment . So, I don't know how many of you work Saturdays, but we work every Saturday, and have to stay for at least 6 hours, even though we both only teach 1 class. For the rest of the time, we literally have absolutely nothing to do, as we finish all our weeks work during the week (where we also have plenty of free time). On top of that, they just had a "talk" with us saying that we can't use the internet for personal use while at work.
Here's the dilema: We are thinking about talking to our manager and trying to get our time on Saturday's reduced, because it seems riduclous at this point. What we don't want however is to eliminate this job as a good reference for our next job by being too demanding. The other problem is that our hours are specified in our contracts. We've talked to other teachers at other campuses however, and they can leave as soon as their classes are over, not just saturdays but every day, despite having the same contracts. How important is a good reference for our next jobs? Keep in mind, we will definitely not take another job unless we get both saturday and sunday off. We want to have the ability to demand this of our next school. Thanks in advance. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:12 am Post subject: |
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At public schools you get Saturdays and Sundays off in the contract.
References aren't that important here. Hardly anyone ever calls or checks. |
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tsm174
Joined: 21 Jan 2009 Location: Dongtan, South Korea
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:18 am Post subject: |
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Well we work at an academy now, and would prefer to stay there as we hear they give better pay/benefits. If we are paid 2.6 mil a month now, what is a good price to ask when looking for our second job? While this is my only Korean teaching experience, I have other experience in the states. |
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ppcg4

Joined: 16 Oct 2008
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:32 am Post subject: |
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I'm applying for jobs now (in Korea), and I've had several interviews. My previous employer claims she hasn't received any calls about me, but I wonder whether or not I can trust her.
I don't know your boss, but I think your request is reasonable, but if there are other workers there, they may feel you're getting preferential treatment if you don't have to come in on Saturdays. |
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tsm174
Joined: 21 Jan 2009 Location: Dongtan, South Korea
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:39 am Post subject: |
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"I don't know your boss, but I think your request is reasonable, but if there are other workers there, they may feel you're getting preferential treatment if you don't have to come in on Saturdays."
Yea as far as I can tell thats the reason. The difference is though that they atually teach more than one class on Saturday. They have work to do, and we don't. Any thoughts? |
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ChinaBoy
Joined: 17 Feb 2007
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:12 am Post subject: |
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Any Korean job I've ever had, you have to be there. Never been allowed to come in late or leave early. Even without classes.
The internet thing is a bit retarded, unless you've only got a couple of computers for a lot of teachers, then it should probably be used for work. |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:33 am Post subject: |
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tsm174 wrote: |
Well we work at an academy now, and would prefer to stay there as we hear they give better pay/benefits. If we are paid 2.6 mil a month now, what is a good price to ask when looking for our second job? While this is my only Korean teaching experience, I have other experience in the states. |
I am finding it hard to see the better pay/benefits part of your 2.6 million hogwan job when you have to do 6 hours on Saturdays. I make more than that working 8 hours a day m-f at a PS and have 3 months a year where I am on half days or vacation. |
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tsm174
Joined: 21 Jan 2009 Location: Dongtan, South Korea
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:02 am Post subject: |
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Well if you get paid the same for those 3 months of half days and vacation then I can't argue with you there. What kind of experience did you need to get a PS job? We're both certified in TEFL and will have had a year experience after this. Do you do the same thing as you would in an academy, just at a public school? |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:51 am Post subject: |
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Ps school usually has bigger classes than hogwans and yes you could get a Ps job. Usually there is less hassles in most Ps jobs. |
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maingman
Joined: 26 Jan 2008 Location: left Korea
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:31 am Post subject: . |
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TheUrbanMyth wrote :
References aren't that important here. Hardly anyone ever calls or checks.
dont agree therre |
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bobbybigfoot
Joined: 05 May 2007 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:45 am Post subject: |
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References probably don't matter to get a job here.
But I would think they DO matter to get a GOOD job.
Bending over and taking it from this current employer won't necessarily guarantee you a good reference. It's all a crazy game.
Be diplomatic about your requests ...
Good luck... |
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Draz

Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Location: Land of Morning Clam
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
At public schools you get Saturdays and Sundays off in the contract.
References aren't that important here. Hardly anyone ever calls or checks. |
Public schools and the majority of hagwons give Sat and Sun off.
I'm not sure how important references are. I went to my old school to thank my former boss for giving me a great reference (I assumed, because his number is on my resume and I got a good job) but he seemed confused.  |
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Unposter
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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Having letters of recomendation can be valuable or essential but having good ones or truthful ones are really important.
Most Koreans I have talked to, and you can take this for whatever it is worth as it is my own experience, don't take much stock in letters of recommendation because they do not believe that anyone is honest. They themselves write everyone a nice recomendation so they don't take much credence in other people's recomendations.
I would think not having any recomendations could be a problem but from my experience hardly anyone actually checks them out. |
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