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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007 Location: Jeolla province
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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:16 pm Post subject: Republican circular firing squad;Rush Limblah vs Steele, etc |
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Just after the hilariously goofy CPAC in Washington, RNC head Steele made some statements about Rush on the DL Hughley show. Well, Rush didn't take too kindly to those remarks.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/03/02/limbaugh-fires-back-at-steele/
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Talk radio host Rush Limbaugh fired back at Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele Monday, suggesting on his radio show the GOP leader appears to be supporting President Obama and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
"Why do you claim to lead the Republican Party when you seem obsessed with seeing to it President Obama succeeds?" Limbaugh addressed Steele.
"I frankly am stunned that the chairman of the Republican National Committee endorses such an agenda. I have to conclude that he does because he attacks me for wanting it to fail," said Limbaugh.
Late last week, Steele told CNN's D.L. Hughley that Limbaugh is an "entertainer" whose comments are "ugly."
Also on his radio program Monday, Limbaugh said Steele is being used by the "liberal media."
"Michael Steele has been around long enough to know that the liberal media will use him by twisting what I say or what others say," he said. "He took the bait, he bit down hard on the bait, he launched an attack on me, even though the premise of what was said to him was false." |
Instead of standing up for himself, Steele instead proves vividly what the Dems have been saying all along: RUSH (fat, racist, whoremongering drunk addict) runs the GOP. He put on the kneepads and kissed ass.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19517.html
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Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele says he has reached out to Rush Limbaugh to tell him he meant no offense when he referred to the popular conservative radio host as an �entertainer� whose show can be �incendiary.�
�My intent was not to go after Rush � I have enormous respect for Rush Limbaugh,� Steele said in a telephone interview. �I was maybe a little bit inarticulate. � There was no attempt on my part to diminish his voice or his leadership.�
The dust-up comes at a time when top Democrats are trying to make Limbaugh the face of the Republican Party, in part by using ads funded by labor. Americans United for Change sent a fund-raising e-mail Monday that begins: �The Republican Party has turned into the Rush Limbaugh Party.�
Steele told CNN host D.L. Hughley in an interview aired Saturday night: �Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer. Rush Limbaugh � his whole thing is entertainment. He has this incendiary � yes, it's ugly.�
Steele, who won a hard-fought chairman's race on Jan. 30, told Politico he telephoned Limbaugh after his show on Monday afternoon and hoped that they would connect soon.
�I went back at that tape and I realized words that I said weren�t what I was thinking,� Steele said. "It was one of those things where I thinking I was saying one thing, and it came out differently. What I was trying to say was a lot of people � want to make Rush the scapegoat, the bogeyman, and he�s not."
�I�m not going to engage these guys and sit back and provide them the popcorn for a fight between me and Rush Limbaugh,� Steele added. �No such thing is going to happen. � I wasn�t trying to slam him or anything.�
On Monday�s show, Limbaugh reacted both to the comment and to the assertion on CBS�s �Face the Nation� by White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel that the radio host is �the voice and the intellectual force and energy behind the Republican Party.� |
So what does the base think? Of course, they're Rushbo dittoheads. See for yourself.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2196657/posts?q=1&;page=151
Meanwhile, Ron Paul (R-TX) is joining in with some potshots against Rush.
http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2009/03/02/pretty-sad-limbaughs-the-lead-gop-voice-ron-paul/
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'Pretty sad' Limbaugh's the lead GOP voice: Ron Paul
It is pretty sad that conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh has become the de-facto voice of the Republican Party, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) said Monday.
"I think it�s pretty sad," Paul said during an appearance on CNN Monday morning. "And it means that the Republicans are really starving for some type of leadership."
"He really didn�t broaden the base," the former Republican presidential candidate told the network's John Roberts. "I mean, it�s still very narrow, and that is why some of us would like to see an approach that would emphasize personal liberties and civil liberties."
Limbaugh's speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) this past weekend has been the subject of much discussion on the left and the right, with a number of Republican leaders (such as Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele) sounding off on Limbaugh's role and influence within the GOP.
"I think a lot of people like to hear what he�s saying, but I think it�s also a little bit polarizing and confrontational, and I think that�s why the Democrats are bragging that Limbaugh now speaks for the Republicans," Paul added. "So I guess the Democrats think it�s to their advantage if he�s leading the charge." |
Leadership? Yeah right. Republicans/conservatives are looking for some reassuring "Daddy" figure to tell them that what they believe in (white supremacy, homophobia, anti-science, fascism) is true and just. Thinking for themselves is out of the question- in fact, thoughts outside the bubble are precisely what they fear the most. They don't want new ideas- they just want someone to yell them out loud.
And so the circular firing squad will continue. Grab some popcorn and enjoy the fireworks. |
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RufusW
Joined: 14 Jun 2008 Location: Busan
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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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So we can presume that as long as Obama doesn't mess anything up too bad he's in for 8 years? The Republicans seem miles away from getting their act together and then there's the question of whether they're actually electable with their ideas.
I watched Rush's whole address and it was certainly worth it to see where they're actually at. I also saw a clip of Huckabee claiming Lenin and Stalin would love Obama's plan. Although they were 'communists' even mentioning their names in a comparison is pretty sick stuff.
I'm amazed no-one in the crowd at CPAC ever took a step back and realised some of the stuff that was being said was.......crazy. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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Who needs liberal comedians when we have the uncensored GOP to watch?
Back in 1814 the Federalist Party (the conservative party of the day) committed suicide at the Hartford Convention, dried up and blew away, leaving the country with one party. It was called the Era of Good Feeling. I've always wondered what that would be like. We may find out.
The most fascinating part of this is watching the emergence of a new form of PCness. First we had that congressman from Georgia crawling on hands and knees to apologize to Rush, now we have Michael (suburban and urban hip hop) Steele apologizing. (How do you credibly apologize for saying 'incendiary and ugly' without looking like a total fool?)
How soon will publishers start having to use the term 'Limbaughism'? |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| In just under 4 years, when we're all waking up and checking 538.com to see if the .2 point spread has become a .3, this idea of a GOP in the wilderness will seem quaint. |
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Kuros
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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| In just under 4 years, when we're all waking up and checking 538.com to see if the .2 point spread has become a .3, this idea of a GOP in the wilderness will seem quaint. |
*grins*
I'm not going to make any predictions now, but four years will definitely be too long for me to defer my prognostication. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| In just under 4 years, when we're all waking up and checking 538.com to see if the .2 point spread has become a .3, this idea of a GOP in the wilderness will seem quaint. |
It seems a wee bit early to start making projections about the Election of '12, but since you are being pessimistic I can't help myself.
In history, if you find one example of something, you can demonstrate that it can happen, but you haven't proved it's anything more than a fluke. Take a look at the results of the Election of 1936, the first election after the re-alligning Election of 1932. Roosevelt 523 electoral votes to Landon's 8.
If you find a second example, you might be on to something, but it could just be a coincidence. The Election of 1984: Reagan 525 electoral votes to Mondale's 13.
It's too early to know if Obama's election was also a re-aligning election, but there is that possibility. I think I deserve my 4 years of hope--after all, I had to live through Nixon's administration so I'm due some good kharma (or is it dharma?). Anyway, Obama v Whoever Rush Hand-picks--could it be Palin/Jindal?--could be another landslide election.  |
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mises
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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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I'm just trying to brighten your day!
Though, around the time I started watching politics, I remember reading quite a lot about the permanent Repub majority, and how Hispanics were gonna vote Repub is droves and on and on. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:19 am Post subject: |
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| Though, around the time I started watching politics, I remember reading quite a lot about the permanent Repub majority, and how Hispanics were gonna vote Repub is droves and on and on. |
There was similar talk in '64 when LBJ kicked Goldwater's heiny. When the governing party starts with the hubris, you can pretty well count on Zeus and crew turning the wheel.
At my age, I'm just hoping the wheel stays right where it is for a full generational cycle. By the time it comes to turn again, I'll be long gone. |
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007 Location: Jeolla province
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:27 am Post subject: |
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More shooting across the bows among the Republicans.
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In recent weeks, a growing number of conservatives have hopped on the Rush Limbaugh bandwagon, saying they agree with his repeated statements that he hopes President Obama fails. Michelle Malkin, Tom Delay, Rick Santorum, Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN), Sen. David Vitter (R-LA) have all said they want Obama�s policies to fail.
The Weekly Standard�s Bill Kristol, however, seems to disagree with this sentiment. In an interview with Fox and Friends yesterday, Kristol broke with the Limbaugh line. Discussing Obama�s recent actions to fix the economy with progressive blogger David Sirota, Kristol said that Americans �should� �hope� that Obama�s policies �succeed�:
Q: Are people still holding on to [their hope] thinking he will be able to change the problems we are now facing?
KRISTOL: Look, Americans wish a new president well. They hope his policies succeed, as they should. |
Fox news video clip at the link
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/130526/gop_civil_war%3A_kristol_takes_on_leader_limbaugh/#more
Will Kristol stand up to his word and against Limbaugh, or will he fold and kiss the ring of Limblauh like soooo many others? Stay tuned...
Meanwhile, instead of lying low and fixing the party, RNC head Steele is in hot water with Republicans with calls to resign coming in. And now he has a corruption scandal left over from his 2006 Senate run.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/29560850#29560850 |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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The Republicans are obviously in terrible shape right now. But they stand to make gains in the House, potentially very big gains, in 2010 for two reasons --
1. In 2008 the Democrats won in a lot of districts where they would normally not be competitive, and there will be a reversion to the mean.
2. The economy will almost certainly still be in the toilet and possibly not even showing signs of recovery, which the Democrats need to lock in their gains.
By 2012 the Republicans are likely to have repositioned themselves ideologically and come up with new ideas, which would give them a chance to defeat Obama if the economy is not improving. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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But they stand to make gains in the House, potentially very big gains, in 2010 for two reasons --
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Yes, what you say is quite possible. Generally speaking, the opposition party does make gains in the off-year elections. But it isn't always true. If things show signs of turning around, Obama will get the credit (even if he doesn't deserve it) and the shift to the left will become more long-lasting. The public is a fickle beast and its ideology is pretty paper thin. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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Republicans will fall in line before crunch time.
Seriously. The United States is in a depression. There is generally no such thing as static politics but in a depression, the winds can change on a dime. |
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Jeff's Cigarettes

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NAVFC
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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This all depends on how the economy goes. If before election time the economy improves, Obama will have won big time.
If the economy does improve he will be able to give hmself kudos duing his campaign for ending the war in Iraq, improving the US economy, improving foreign relations and so forth.
Furthermore, IF his policies work, he will be able to paint the GOP as obstructionist, a sentiment that will really resonate with the American public, IF Obamas policies work.
However, I am concerned that the GOPs gloom and doom attitude, their constant onbstructionism and this atmosphere they have created in the business world, that Obama is the end of us all, is adding undue and artificual speculation to the markets which I think may be contributing to the negative effects weve seen in the last couple weeks |
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Hater Depot
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:06 am Post subject: |
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| NAVFC wrote: |
| However, I am concerned that the GOPs gloom and doom attitude, their constant onbstructionism and this atmosphere they have created in the business world, that Obama is the end of us all, is adding undue and artificual speculation to the markets which I think may be contributing to the negative effects weve seen in the last couple weeks |
I doubt it. Obama could walk out tomorrow and feed the entire White House press corp with just five loaves and two fish and that wouldn't unfreeze the credit markets or plug up the holes in everyone's balance sheets. Stocks are going down because investors are reacting rationally to a tanking economy, and that has nothing to do with whatever they personally think of the president. |
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