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tfunk



Joined: 12 Aug 2006
Location: Dublin, Ireland

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:08 pm    Post subject: Money becoming worthless? Reply with quote

For all you economists out there...

Under what economic circumstances can money become worthless? Is there a risk that this scenario could happen in countries like Korea, America etc. under the current global situation?
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Thedudeabides



Joined: 15 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without trying to be an armchair economist, I think by the time money would become worthless, there would be larger problems to worry about. I'm talking about massive food and energy shortages, war, and the general breakdown of everything we see around us. At that point, when businesses stop opening, we would see a return to the barter system.

This is a worst case scenario, which we won't see in the foreseeable future. Citizens in every country will keep buying food and other necessities, businesses will stay open, and the economy worldwide will recover and flourish.
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sjrm



Joined: 27 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ask the residents of Zimbabwe! With their inflation rate at about 50,000,000% or something around that, they've ended up not using their own currency, but instead using foreign currency to buy good since their own isn't worth the paper it's written on literally. Read more into it, and you'll see the effects of worthless currency.
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

50 million percent is months ago. They've topped trillions.
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Rusty Shackleford



Joined: 08 May 2008

PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sjrm wrote:
Ask the residents of Zimbabwe! With their inflation rate at about 50,000,000% or something around that, they've ended up not using their own currency, but instead using foreign currency to buy good since their own isn't worth the paper it's written on literally. Read more into it, and you'll see the effects of worthless currency.


This would happen if you had an economy based on the sale of dirt then started printing money to enrich your cronies and maybe cover basic expenditure.

Developed economies are printing money right now, especially America, so there will be some inflation which will be good because it will wipe out some debt. But seeing that the "printed" money will hopefully be used for public infrastructure and will hopefully generate some value into the future we won't see a Zimbabwe situation in developed economies.
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mole



Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Act III

PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need to read and research a lot to fully get it, but here's a few starters.

FIAT PAPER MONEY: The History and Evolution of Our Currency--Ralph T. Foster
"Dedicated to the world's worthless paper money."
I'm not sure if it's even in widespread print. My copy looks like a manuscript and is signed by the author.
"28 July 2008. mole- May our research benefit your long-term goals.... Ralph T. Foster"
I ordered the book because I'd seen it quoted in several financial commentary/editorials.
Particularly by Dr. Darryl Robert Schoon.

Look up Antal Fekete, Ludwig von Mises and Austrian School economics in general.

I'm currently reading Crash Proof by Peter D. Schiff.

Study hyperinflation in the Wiemar Republic. Here's a brief wiki.

To answer the OP question, CURRENCY becomes worthless through hyperinflation which is caused by printing paper monopoly money
that sheeple have been trained to accept in exchange for their labor and time. Sheeple eventually awaken to the fact that this paper,
no matter how widely accepted it has been for however long, is simply paper, unbacked by any hard asset.

Each fiat currency unit printed (on paper or digital cyberbyte) is created out of thin air as a debt. An unpayable irredeemable IOU.

Most tinfoil hatters (HI, Thunndarr~!) know there is not only the risk of this happening, but it's inevitable.
As evidenced by the fact that every fiat currency in history has failed.


Also see Zeitgeist: Addendum. Free streaming video on Google.
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OneWayTraffic



Joined: 14 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mole wrote:
You need to read and research a lot to fully get it, but here's a few starters.

FIAT PAPER MONEY: The History and Evolution of Our Currency--Ralph T. Foster
"Dedicated to the world's worthless paper money."
I'm not sure if it's even in widespread print. My copy looks like a manuscript and is signed by the author.
"28 July 2008. mole- May our research benefit your long-term goals.... Ralph T. Foster"
I ordered the book because I'd seen it quoted in several financial commentary/editorials.
Particularly by Dr. Darryl Robert Schoon.

Look up Antal Fekete, Ludwig von Mises and Austrian School economics in general.

I'm currently reading Crash Proof by Peter D. Schiff.

Study hyperinflation in the Wiemar Republic. Here's a brief wiki.

To answer the OP question, CURRENCY becomes worthless through hyperinflation which is caused by printing paper monopoly money
that sheeple have been trained to accept in exchange for their labor and time. Sheeple eventually awaken to the fact that this paper,
no matter how widely accepted it has been for however long, is simply paper, unbacked by any hard asset.

Each fiat currency unit printed (on paper or digital cyberbyte) is created out of thin air as a debt. An unpayable irredeemable IOU.

Most tinfoil hatters (HI, Thunndarr~!) know there is not only the risk of this happening, but it's inevitable.
As evidenced by the fact that every fiat currency in history has failed.


Also see Zeitgeist: Addendum. Free streaming video on Google.


Sooo...

I take it that you receive your payment in gold bullion? And what use is that anyway? Gold isn't exactly backed by anything of value; Paper currency is backed by the full faith and credit of the government.

Every fiat currency in history has failed, except the NZ, US, Can and Aus dollars, the pound, the riyal, the lira, the won, the yen the RMB and pretty much any currency currently used except the Zimbabwean dollar. And when Zimbabwee gets a decent government, they'll have a decent currency. The value of the currency is linked to the prudence of it's bank.

Eventually even the mighty US will depreciate into nothing, that's inevitiable. So we'll agree on another medium of exchange, and I bet it won't be gold backed.
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greedy_bones



Joined: 01 Jul 2007
Location: not quite sure anymore

PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mole wrote:

Also see Zeitgeist: Addendum. Free streaming video on Google.


That movie was terrible. It was three completely separate and unrelated parts which were each based on conjecture and poor logic. Part 1: Jesus isn't the son of God. Ok, I agree, but talking about other religions who have a similar story for twenty minutes isn't going to convince me. Also, what does Jesus have to do with 911? Part 2: 911 was staged by the US government who also decided to blow up another random building for no apparent reason. Part 3: There is a secret society founded by Woodrow Wilson which has started World War 1, World War 2 and the Iraq War. Taft, I could believe, but Wilson?
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mole



Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Act III

PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

G_B: That sounds like Zeitgeist. The Addendum version is well, as you might expect, NEW & IMPROVED!

OWT: Still have that letter-sweater you earned on the middle school debate team?

I'm preaching, not debating.
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OneWayTraffic



Joined: 14 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mole wrote:
G_B: That sounds like Zeitgeist. The Addendum version is well, as you might expect, NEW & IMPROVED!

OWT: Still have that letter-sweater you earned on the middle school debate team?

I'm preaching, not debating.



Right, so you're not interested in learning anything or in a reasoned disscussion. Got it.
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