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 Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 3:47 am Post subject: Success of Asians in our education system |
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A politically incorrect opinion piece for sure but worth a read.
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WASHINGTON (AP) � Bursting into tears, eighth-grader Anurag Kashyap of California became the U.S. spelling champ Thursday... Tied for second place were 11-year-old Samir Patel, who is home-schooled in Colleyville, Texas, and Aliya Deri, 13, a Pleasanton, California, student. Indian kids have won first place in five of the last seven years.
Might be there�s a pattern here? Nah.
A friend in California has an Asia wife (which both he and I recommend), and so is among the few whites plugged into the state�s Asian community. He reports that the Asians are contemptuous of whites. (�Lazy, not very smart.�) The evidence supports them. They also believe that the chief aim of schooling in America is to coddle blacks and Latinos, which baffles them. Me too, but it isn�t my problem.
Top twelve students on the USA Math Olympiad 2003:
Boris Alexeev, Jae Bae, Daniel Kane, Anders Kaseorg (home-schooled), Mark Lipson, Tiankai Liu, Po-Ru Loh, Po-Ling Loh, Aaron Pixton, Kwokfung Tang, Tony Zhang, Yan Zhang.
Take Asians and Jews out of measures of high intellectual performance in America, and you aren�t left with much. The foregoing doesn�t look much different from staffing lists I have encountered for such things as research teams at Bell Labs. A friend, writing a book on Harvard, calculates that Asians and Jews make up about forty-five percent of the school. The Asians know this, of course. They figure the future is theirs. So do I.
"Houston Chronicle, May 19, 2005: HISD [Houston Integrated School District] sees its passing rates [on the Texas Assessment of Knowledge and Skills] fall in every grade and a racial gap grow even wider."
The contempt of the Asians for witless round-eyes is understandable. They, in my considerable experience, are intensely competitive and look toward results. Whites just don�t care. I remember staying with a friend in Canada who had rooming with her a Chinese woman who was working on a degree at a local university. She only barely spoke English, but among other things was also studying French, a required course I suppose, and passing it by brute force. She needed that degree to bring her family over. She was going to get it, and that was that. She seldom came out of her room, because that was where her books were. Might be hard to compete with.
Winners of the 1964 William Lowell Putnam mathematics competition, a very high-end test: Reid W. Barton, Daniel M. Kane, Emanuel Stoica, Ana Caraiani, Suehyun Kwon, Mihai Manea, Nikifor C. Bliznashki, Oaz Nir, Lingren Zhang, Olena Bormashenko, Ralph Furmaniak, Michael A. Lipnowski, Po-Ru Loh, Mehmet B. Yenmez, and Rumen I. Zarev
American schools lurch after �diversity� like drunks who have discovered a bottle of Night Train on the sidewalk, and collect what educationists call �minorities.� By �minority� they mean of course non-performing minorities: Anglo-Saxons, Chinese, Jews, and Greeks are all minorities, but they are not failures, and so aren't really minorities. The Asians, all that I know, all that anyone I know knows, do not give a wan, etiolated damn about non-performers. Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans are very racially conscious. They quietly regard whites as inferior, blacks as barbarians.
Ah, and the Asians are smart, and do not come out of their rooms until they have finished.
New York Daily News, May 10, 2005: A stunning 81% of the city's eighth-graders flunked the state's basic social studies exam last year � and the scores have gone down annually since the test debuted in 2001.
The comedy of the thing is that the United States has deliberately chosen to convert itself into a continent of half-literate iPod-carrying dolts. To me it is entertaining; to the rising Asian nations it is an inexplicable gift: The US, their competition, has put its children into the hands of simian gurglers mewling about diversity, which, while positively weird as seen through slanted eyes, bodes well for Asia. It is a bit like watching an opposing running back set off in the wrong direction.
The slave coders of Mumbai don�t worry about diversity. They are busy writing computer code. Our code.
Detroit News, Tuesday, January 18, 2005: Forty-seven percent of Detroit�s adult population is functionally illiterate.
Come on, we can do better than that. Let�s try for eighty percent within five years. Meanwhile I�m going to get my eyes done and break out my old Mandarin books. Hey, the Chinese are smart, the food�s good and the women are splendid. �Ni hau? Jende, wo mei-you kan-gwo numma hau-kan-de syau-jyeh.� Used to work. Might still. |
http://www.lewrockwell.com/reed/reed67.html |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 4:00 am Post subject: |
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| Quite pointed! |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 5:04 am Post subject: |
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Interesting how 'affirmative action' (AKA racial discrimination) is now negatively impacting on Asians in the US.
What is even more telling is the blatant bias in the following article. The headline is 'Research shows benefits of affirmative action'. It should accurately be titled 'Research shows benefits of affirmative action for blacks and hispanics.'
It is a disgrace that many Asians, who work so hard, have their places taken by people who have scored extra points, simply because of their race.
http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/news/story/0,,1501215,00.html
'Removing consideration of race would have little effect on white students -their acceptance rate would rise by only 0.5 percentage points. Asian students would fill nearly four out of every five places in the admitted class not taken by African-American and Hispanic students.' |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:34 am Post subject: |
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How refreshing. 
Maybe families putting a focus on education rather than sports could explain a good part of it. |
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guangho
Joined: 19 Jan 2005
Location: a spot full of deception, stupidity, and public micturation and thus unfit for longterm residency
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:39 am Post subject: |
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| Asians and Jews respect intellectual achievement. Most others don't. |
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komtengi
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Location: Slummin it up in Haebangchon
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:50 am Post subject: |
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| guangho wrote: |
| Asians and Jews respect intellectual achievement. Most others don't. |
important but by far, not the be all and end all.
look at alot of asian families and they arent very social, and have problems with emotional and physical support. how many koreans do you see that actually tell their kids they love them?? but as long as they get good grades
another issue that has arisen is that the asians are generally scholastically better, but it doesnt make a better doctor. thus medicine courses are relying alot of interviews... last thing I want is a doctor with no or minimal social skills, poor bedside manner, and poor language skills |
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guangho
Joined: 19 Jan 2005
Location: a spot full of deception, stupidity, and public micturation and thus unfit for longterm residency
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 7:05 am Post subject: |
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| komtengi wrote: |
| guangho wrote: |
| Asians and Jews respect intellectual achievement. Most others don't. |
important but by far, not the be all and end all.
look at alot of asian families and they arent very social, and have problems with emotional and physical support. how many koreans do you see that actually tell their kids they love them?? but as long as they get good grades
another issue that has arisen is that the asians are generally scholastically better, but it doesnt make a better doctor. thus medicine courses are relying alot of interviews... last thing I want is a doctor with no or minimal social skills, poor bedside manner, and poor language skills |
That's true too. Seems that you can have either a high IQ or a high EQ (emotional quotient), but not both. |
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cjenny
Joined: 25 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| komtengi wrote: |
| guangho wrote: |
| Asians and Jews respect intellectual achievement. Most others don't. |
important but by far, not the be all and end all.
look at alot of asian families and they arent very social, and have problems with emotional and physical support. how many koreans do you see that actually tell their kids they love them?? but as long as they get good grades
another issue that has arisen is that the asians are generally scholastically better, but it doesnt make a better doctor. thus medicine courses are relying alot of interviews... last thing I want is a doctor with no or minimal social skills, poor bedside manner, and poor language skills |
You don't have to "tell" your kids that you love them - Korean kids know that their parents love them even if they don't say, "I love you." You don't have to be verbal about love for your children. If you love your kids, they know that you love them. You seem to be very ignorant about Korean culture and view it as "inferior" compared to western culture.
How can you talk about Korean parents having problems with emotional and physical support when you are not Korean??? (Yes, I'm Korean and proud to be one.) Are you Korean?
What kind of a doctor are you if you aren't "scholastically better"? If you aren't in the top percentile of the MCAT (Medical College Admission Test) and don't have a nearly perfect CGPA, you can't even have an interview with the recruiters. Also, if you can't understand what you read in your Biology book but you are a social person, you can't become a doctor. Even if you become a doctor you'll be killing a lot of people because of the mistakes you'll be making. Having great social skills does not make you a great doctor. I'd rather have a doctor who knows what he's doing.
Stop making statements you can't support. |
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sonofthedarkstranger
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:38 am Post subject: |
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| cjenny wrote: |
| You don't have to "tell" your kids that you love them - Korean kids know that their parents love them even if they don't say, "I love you." You don't have to be verbal about love for your children. If you love your kids, they know that you love them. |
You really don't know anything, do you? |
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cjenny
Joined: 25 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| sonofthedarkstranger wrote: |
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| You don't have to "tell" your kids that you love them - Korean kids know that their parents love them even if they don't say, "I love you." You don't have to be verbal about love for your children. If you love your kids, they know that you love them. |
You really don't know anything, do you? |
What don't I know? |
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sonofthedarkstranger
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:03 am Post subject: |
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| Well, for starters, what you are talking about where I quoted you. |
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cjenny
Joined: 25 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:05 am Post subject: |
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| You don't know what you are talking about. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:29 am Post subject: |
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| You don't have to "tell" your kids that you love them - Korean kids know that their parents love them even if they don't say, "I love you." You don't have to be verbal about love for your children. If you love your kids, they know that you love them. |
You're right cjenny. This is a bizarre American belief, borne out of watching too many episodes of Oprah, that 'feelings' must constantly be discussed and verified. It's sentimental garbage. The fact that most Korean parents make huge sacrifices for their children shows how much they care for their kids.
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| look at alot of asian families and they arent very social, and have problems with emotional and physical support. |
Is this anything more than meaningless psychobabble?
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| another issue that has arisen is that the asians are generally scholastically better, but it doesnt make a better doctor. |
All things being equal it obviously does. A doctor's first priority is to save lives and heal the sick, and that, first and foremost, requires a substantial knowledge and study of medicine. Social skills are secondary, though important. |
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sonofthedarkstranger
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:30 am Post subject: |
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Yes, I do.
Parents should verbally tell their kids they love them.
Failure to do this is a symptom of an emotional retardation which will be passed down to their kids, and their kids' kids, and will poison their ability to have satisfying relationships. |
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komtengi
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Location: Slummin it up in Haebangchon
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:30 am Post subject: |
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| sonofthedarkstranger wrote: |
| cjenny wrote: |
| You don't have to "tell" your kids that you love them - Korean kids know that their parents love them even if they don't say, "I love you." You don't have to be verbal about love for your children. If you love your kids, they know that you love them. |
You really don't know anything, do you? |
i concur... of course I never new that Koreans had mastered the art of esp.. yeah then you never have to have any emotional or physical attachment with your kids... cause they can sense it. honestly that is such a moronic statement. I was going to laugh at first, but then I realised you weren't being sarcastic.
its not only about children either... couples have the same issues. maybe you should read the threads about divorce rates and the percentage of woman that would consider cheating on their husbands... hmm a little tlc might prevent some of that... but Koreans dont need that do they |
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