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pkang0202
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 Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:19 pm Post subject: For ALL you Bush HATERS |
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http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/03/today-in-calgar.html
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Today in Calgary, Alberta, former President George W. Bush said he would refrain from criticizing the Obama administration and he wants President Obama to succeed.
�I'm not going to spend my time criticising him. There's plenty of critics in the arena. I think it's time for the ex-president to tap dance off the stage and let the current president have a go at solving the world's problems,� the former president said in remarks to business executives. �He deserves my silence. And if he wants my help, he can pick up the phone.�
Bush�s comments follow scathing remarks from his former vice president, Dick Cheney, in an interview on CNN on Sunday. Cheney said President Obama is making critical national security choices that make the American people less safe.
The speech today was Bush's first since leaving office in January. The event was organized by the Calgary Chamber of Commerce and his remarks to business executives were closed to the press and the tickets were invitation only.
The former president said he wants President Obama to succeed. �I love my country a lot more than I love politics. I think it is essential that he be helped in the office.� |
That is exactly what an ex President should do. Take a lesson Bill Clinton. |
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ernie
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| dubya was a crappy president. the only thing that makes him a slightly less crappy ex-president is that his total lack of credibility / knowledge / power means that no one has to take him seriously anymore. |
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Rusty Shackleford
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| I doubt I would've said this, even a few months ago but I believe that ultimately Bush will be vindicated. Especially given that Obama is shaping up to be the worst President in history. That's right people you heard it here first. I predict he will be impeached. |
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RufusW
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
| I doubt I would've said this, even a few months ago but I believe that ultimately Bush will be vindicated. |
As in what? How? eh? |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I predict he will be impeached. |
What evidence of illegality do you see on Obama's part? |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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Nice story, Pkang0202. I agree with you. Also receiving play on NPR.
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| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
| I doubt I would've said this, even a few months ago but I believe that ultimately [W.] Bush will be vindicated. |
As in what? How? eh? |
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Except for Richard Nixon, no President since Harry Truman leaves office more unloved than George W. Bush. Truman's rehabilitation took decades. Bush's will come sooner. Indeed, it has already begun. The chief revisionist? Barack Obama.
Vindication is being expressed not in words but in deeds -- the tacit endorsement conveyed by the Obama continuity-we-can-believe-in transition. It's not just the retention of such key figures as Secretary of Defense Bob Gates or Treasury Secretary nominee Timothy Geithner, who, as president of the New York Fed, has been instrumental in guiding the Bush financial rescue over the last year. It's the continuity of policy... |
New York Daily News
Depending on how you choose to read this, On the Other Hand, this may answer your question as well -- or at least suggest the answer. |
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samcheokguy
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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It would be nice if Bush became a better man after being president, kind of like Carter did.
(I know a lot of people are going to shoot me now!) |
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RufusW
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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So you reckon Obama is giving 'tacit endorsement' to Bush's policies? Hmm... He's attacked Bush pretty often as well.
A real historian would not forget the false pretenses given for the war in Iraq. Maybe people'll forget and maybe the historian's ideology makes it okay - but otherwise I don't think it's possible to 'vindicate' the main part of Bush's presidency. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
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| Vindication is being expressed not in words but in deeds -- the tacit endorsement conveyed by the Obama continuity-we-can-believe-in transition. It's not just the retention of such key figures as Secretary of Defense Bob Gates or Treasury Secretary nominee Timothy Geithner, who, as president of the New York Fed, has been instrumental in guiding the Bush financial rescue over the last year. It's the continuity of policy... |
New York Daily News |
Wait a minute - I thought Obama was the "change" president.
What happened? |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| A real historian would... |
Nice attempt to seize discursive power. Just transparent and primitive.
In any case, I suspect real historians, and I would hope I had some authority on this point here, were they writing this history today (which they would not be, because B. Obama has only just begun his administration) would stress the continuities that have appeared -- B. Obama's campaign and presidential rhetoric notwithstanding.
R. Gates at the Pentagon.
The continuing wars in the Middle East.
The national-security rulings at the Department of Justice.
These and other Obama-administration decisions would seem to validate the W. Bush administration's post-9/11 thinking here. Also, how about the bailouts...?
On the other hand, B. Obama's decisionmaking has overturned W. Bush on issues such as stem-cell research.
Intelligent answers ought to take all of these issues into consideration. And one group of issues does indeed seem to suggest a W. Bush continuity and thus a W. Bush validation argument. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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"and the tickets were invitation only"
If he wanted to avoid having a hell of a time in Canada, even in Calgary, I guess they'd have to be.
At any rate, he probably hopes that Obama doesn't spill too many beans and doesn't want to piss him off. |
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RufusW
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the continuities that have appeared....
R. Gates at the Pentagon.
The continuing wars in the Middle East.
The national-security rulings at the Department of Justice.
...would seem to validate the W. Bush administration's post-9/11 thinking here. Also, how about the bailouts...?
....one group of issues does indeed seem to suggest a W. Bush continuity and thus a W. Bush validation argument. |
The facts are pretty clear now about how we went to war, I don't see how those are going to change unless nuclear warheads are actually found. So how can Bush possibly be vindicated? Unless, of course, overthrowing Saddam was ideologically correct for the historian passing judgement; i.e. not "A real historian", a revisionist.
Were the 2 wars meant to stop immediately when Obama took office? This is Bush's legacy and Obama'she's had to deal with it as best he can.
Keeping Gates seems more to do with pragmatism than anything else.
Bush hardly took part in the first bailout, he was MIA as I remember.
A continuity between Bush and Obama doesn't validate or vindicate Bush at all... unless you believe Obama's doing the right thing. But you can't have it both ways: You can't say Obama is vindicating Bush because of his similar policies and he's also the worst president ever.
Do you think Bush bares no responsibility for the financial crises even though he was in the White house for 6 years before it happened? |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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Shame on Canada for taking him in. He's just playing the good cop to Limbaugh's bad cop. Oh wait a minute, isn't Calgary/Alberta one of the oil-rich provinces? Tar sands investments in the dumps?
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| The speech today was Bush's first since leaving office in January. The event was organized by the Calgary Chamber of Commerce and his remarks to business executives were closed to the press and the tickets were invitation only. |
Reminds me of Palin's closed door talk at the Republican Governor's meeting in Texas when her water broke last April. Get a copy of the guest list then start poking around for the REAL news here. |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:04 am Post subject: Re: For ALL you Bush HATERS |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/03/today-in-calgar.html
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Today in Calgary, Alberta, former President George W. Bush said he would refrain from criticizing the Obama administration and he wants President Obama to succeed.
�I'm not going to spend my time criticising him. There's plenty of critics in the arena. I think it's time for the ex-president to tap dance off the stage and let the current president have a go at solving the world's problems,� the former president said in remarks to business executives. �He deserves my silence. And if he wants my help, he can pick up the phone.�
Bush�s comments follow scathing remarks from his former vice president, Dick Cheney, in an interview on CNN on Sunday. Cheney said President Obama is making critical national security choices that make the American people less safe.
The speech today was Bush's first since leaving office in January. The event was organized by the Calgary Chamber of Commerce and his remarks to business executives were closed to the press and the tickets were invitation only.
The former president said he wants President Obama to succeed. �I love my country a lot more than I love politics. I think it is essential that he be helped in the office.� |
That is exactly what an ex President should do. Take a lesson Bill Clinton. |
Dick Cheney doesn't seem to think that should apply to VP's as well. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:06 am Post subject: |
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| The facts are pretty clear now about how we went to war, I don't see how those are going to change unless nuclear warheads are actually found... |
We are talking past each other. When you read RustyShackleford's "ultimately [W.] Bush will be vindicated" you narrowly interpreted that as having to do exclusively with the W. Bush administration's case for invading/occupying Iraq, which you allege real historians must consider "the main part" of its history. I, on the other hand, interpreted it as having to do with the W. Bush administration more broadly -- just as there remains much more about the LBJ administration than the Vietnam War. You seem unable/unwilling to get past your preoccupation with -- and overwhelming feelings against -- the Iraqi War and get into this broader discussion. And it is this broader discussion which will likely occupy future historians -- "real" or otherwise.
Also, the W. Bush administration did not allege that it would find nuclear warheads in Saddam's arsenal.
Finally, another example re: the W. Bush-B. Obama continuities/policy vindications...
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Under executive orders issued by [B.] Obama recently, the CIA still has authority to carry out what are known as renditions, secret abductions and transfers of prisoners to countries that cooperate with the United States...
"The legal advisors working on this looked at rendition. It is controversial in some circles and kicked up a big storm in Europe. But if done within certain parameters, it is an acceptable practice [my emphasis -- g.]." |
Los Angeles Times
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And Canuckistan: neither does Jimmy Carter believe that of former presidents. And neither does A. Gore believe that of former vice-presidents for that matter. How about former vice-presidential candidates such as G. Ferraro while we are compiling our list of who is good and who is not? |
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