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A government of children.. KORUS-FTA passes committee
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Will lowering trade barriers help the Korean economy?
Yes. Increased foreign trade is a benefit to the country.
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No. Increased foreign competition will harm the economy.
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superacidjax



Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:03 pm    Post subject: A government of children.. KORUS-FTA passes committee Reply with quote

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2903942

The nutshell: opposition party tries to physically stop GNP from advancing the KORUS-FTA (Korea US Free Trade Agreement) by snatching the microphone, physically grabbing the chairman of the National Assembly�s Foreign Affairs Committee, and using power saws to cut through a door locked to keep out aggressive and violent lawmakers.

It would be really amazing and sparkling if the opposition party in Korea would wake the heck up when it comes to economics. The chaebol-oriented business climate is a major source of economic malaise in the country. By restricting imports in their nefarious ways, Korean consumers pay much higher prices than they would without such a archaic, protectionist mindset. When protectionism or "juche" is taken to the extreme, a North Korea economy results.

In just agriculture alone, specifically rice, consumers pay over 200% above world market prices for rice. The protectionism of the rice market, while obviously beneficial for the inefficient and outdated domestic rice farmers, harms the general public in much higher numbers than the harm that would befall farmers if rice import quotas and tariffs were eliminated.

Of course the pitchfork crowd, along with the North Korean-style Juche far left seems to have the most dramatic voice in the issue.

A fundamental law of economics states that one should not focus on the needs of the few at the expense of the whole, the whole in this case being the Korean consumer.

If Korea wants to be taken seriously as a world economic power, they should at minimum start to live up to their WTO agreements. They also should promote trade agreements and a general opening of markets.

For too long Korea has wanted to have it kimchi and eat it too. From government subsidization of steel production (and dumping issues) to the backroom deals allowing Hyundai et al to operate in a competition-minimal environment, it's time for Korea to grow up and become a world player.

Of course, it would also be encouraging if Korean lawmakers would stop acting like children. Debate and even argument is fine (and essential to a republic) but violence and stealing microphones makes Korea look like a banana republic.

BTW, I realize that the US, EU and others are guilty of various degrees of protectionism as well -- I am all for those countries ending their anti-trade practices as well. I'm not just dumping on Korea, although, I don't often see fist-fights at the EU or within the US Congress or British Parliament!
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mises



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It won't get past Obama, if it even reaches him.

Korea has had years of an unbelievably preferential trade relationship with the US. It will end.
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superacidjax



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obama SHOULD approve it. It will mean all sorts of great benefits for Americans (and Koreans.) Cheaper LCD/Plasma TVs, cheaper cars, cheaper electronics.

For Koreans, it will mean cheaper agricultural products, among other things. I haven't read the FTA text since it was first negotiated a few years ago, so I can't remember the details.

Of course, if Obama doesn't allow the FTA, it will be simply because Obama cares more about labor union voters than he does for the average Americans.

American protectionism is as stupid as Korean protectionism. NAFTA, despite its flaws was an important reason for the American economic boom in the 1990s. Bill Clinton (and the Republican-controlled Congress) was very smart to pass NAFTA, despite the crying of the American labor unions. The jobs allegedly "lost" due to NAFTA were gained in other areas. The lower cost of products led to higher consumer spending and that increased capital allowed for business expansion. The total number of jobs pre-NAFTA was substantially lower than the total number of jobs post-NAFTA. Those union morons in the States try to claim that free-trade causes job loss -- perhaps true, but only within certain less efficient sectors. Maybe, for example, some textile jobs were lost, however, the longshoreman's union saw massive job increases due to substantially increased port activity. The net gain in jobs (due to free-trade) has always been higher.
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mises



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, he shouldn't.

He should crush the Koreans first. Reciprocity on all goods, similar goods and subsitutables. After the ROK economy falls apart, then you force them open.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It won't get past Obama, if it even reaches him.


That isn't how he's acted in the first 90 days or so. So far, he's been tacking middle courses. I'd bet he'll do the same on this if/when it gets to Congress. Maybe push for a renegotiation of some parts? The geopolitical implications of rejecting KORUS outright are greater than with most other countries.
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superacidjax



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

great points -- both of you! I agree.. full reciprocity.. not FTA-lite, but full FTA. Competition is the best economic engine.
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mises



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea exports 440,000 cars a year (though not this year) to the USA. The US exports less than 25k to the ROK, if memory serves. This is largely not due to consumer preference but to "non-tariff barriers to trade", a game the Koreans excel at.

The United States must export her way back to fiscal health. For a long while, she has used favorable terms of trade to keep nations like Korea in the Western camp. This is no longer appropriate policy. The US needs to get very serious about trade.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
No, he shouldn't.

He should crush the Koreans first. Reciprocity on all goods, similar goods and subsitutables. After the ROK economy falls apart, then you force them open.


Which would mean the vast majority of the foreign teachers here would lose their jobs. Wonder why you think that's a good thing?
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superacidjax



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="TheUrbanMyth"]
mises wrote:
Which would mean the vast majority of the foreign teachers here would lose their jobs. Wonder why you think that's a good thing?


Very unlikely. Education spending is the major priority of Korean families, based on percentage of GDP spent. Even during the meltdown of 1997, education spending still thrived.

It would likely increase, especially in English ed because everyone would be in a mild panic to learn English so their kids can go to better universities in order to "escape" economic ruin.

It would be likely that there would be a short-term problem, but it would be corrected fairly quickly. Besides, a near-collapse in the Korean, export-oriented economy would only benefit China and they'd then have more money to hire teachers.

Self-preservation is a natural thing, but in economic thinking, self-preservation (within industries) is destructive. The US auto industry and its implosion caused by the United Auto Workers Union is, in the long run, going to lead to more US auto jobs lost, than would have been saved under protectionist policies. However, if the US auto market were liberalized (in the classical sense) there'd be higher levels of competition and resultantly higher quality US cars better able to compete with foreign imports. The average auto worker might make less money, but the overall prices of cars would drop, leading to more money in consumers' pockets and they'd then spend that extra money on other sectors, creating a net-gain of jobs.

Tariffs, quotas and other stupid protectionist policies lead to inefficiencies and dead-weight losses on the whole, even though the protectionism "helps" certain sectors. The gain of the few harms the many.

Let the economy collapse.. it will only lead to greater efficiencies, lower prices and a higher standard of living. As I've mentioned before, North Korea is protectionism taken to the extreme and look at their economy.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It would likely increase, especially in English ed


My concern about shutting down KORUS completely is the risk of driving S. Korea into Chinese arms. If that happens, Korea's education money will shift into Chinese language hakwons. It's almost inevitable that Korea trade more with China than the US and the EU. The trick will be to keep Korea invested in the West.
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Rusty Shackleford



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Quote:
It would likely increase, especially in English ed


My concern about shutting down KORUS completely is the risk of driving S. Korea into Chinese arms. If that happens, Korea's education money will shift into Chinese language hakwons. It's almost inevitable that Korea trade more with China than the US and the EU. The trick will be to keep Korea invested in the West.


Wow. Shouldn't Korea do what is best for itself? I doubt it will be as easy to "trick" a country as you think. I love how you factor your own self interest into the wider scope of the socio-political landscape, first and foremost above everything else.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I doubt it will be as easy to "trick" a country as you think.


Is your IQ even room temperature?
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Rusty Shackleford



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Quote:
I doubt it will be as easy to "trick" a country as you think.


Is your IQ even room temperature?


Haha, resorting to mean comments instead of responding, I love it!
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pkang0202



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
It won't get past Obama, if it even reaches him.



It's gotta pass the Obama smell test.

"Forget what's best for the country, how will this make me more popular?"

If passing FTA increases his popularity, then it'll pass. If rejecting it makes him more popular, then he'll reject it.
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mises



Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
mises wrote:
It won't get past Obama, if it even reaches him.



It's gotta pass the Obama smell test.

"Forget what's best for the country, how will this make me more popular?"

If passing FTA increases his popularity, then it'll pass. If rejecting it makes him more popular, then he'll reject it.


I totally agree. I don't think it will increase his popularity.
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