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Motorcycle without up-to-date insurance - what is the fine?

 
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penguin



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:55 pm    Post subject: Motorcycle without up-to-date insurance - what is the fine? Reply with quote

My friend has had a biggish bike (650 cc) for about five years. The first year he got his plates and paid for insurance. Then he moved and never received the renewal and didn't follow up.

It has been at least four years without insurance. If he pays now, does he have to back pay for the past four years?

What if you say the bike hasn't been ridden in that time - do you still have to pay? (I'm thinking yes, if health insurance is anything to go by.)

Also, what is the fine for not keeping it up to date? Does it increase the longer you haven't had insurance?

If you have had a similar experience, please advise. Thanks.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I know, which is just from personal discussions, Insurance is bought from a company and if you lapse, they don't fine you. If you cancel a policy you bought before the term is over, the company gives you a prorated refund (though you do have to send a copy of cancellation papers). A fine could come from the police if you were in an accident, or if not a fine then a large bill for damages incurred.

When the Jongno police do motorcycle stops (especially in Hyehwa where they pull over EVERY biker), they check for a license, helmet and license plate. Never insurance. I don't even carry a copy of my insurance in Korea.



If someone has conflicting info, please post it.

For more info about driving in Korea, see "The official motorcycle/scooter thread" in off-topics.
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penguin



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reason I ask is because another friend, who has since left Korea, had this problem.

He knew he was leaving in a few months, so he didn't renew his insurance. Then he wanted to sell his bike. To get the paperwork to transfer ownership, he had to have up-to-date insurance. Because he'd let it lapse for a few months, he had to pay about 500,000 (I think) for the fine and to back-pay his insurance.

His was only for a few months. I'm wondering if it gets incrementally worse if it's a number of years.
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TDR



Joined: 07 Feb 2007
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

penguin

You friend is likely going to have a problem, as mentioned by the poster above me. I'll relate my own story:

I had insurance for my motorcycle and it was coming upon renewal time about one day before I was to go on vacation. I thought, "Why pay for insurance when I won't be here? I'll just renew it when I get back". I was on vacay for about four weeks and got around to renewing it about a week and a half after I got back. Turns out that they (the district office) had been billing me a small amount each day for the time where I wasn't insured. I was told that, in Korea, if a vehicle is registered in your name, you must have it insured. I tried to tell them that I was out of the country, showed them my passport, explained how I thought it worked (i.e. I wasn't riding it, why insure it?) but it was all to no avail. I had to pay 65K or so in fines in order to get my account squared up.

I don't know if there is a limit to the fine but I guess your friend should make some discrete enquiries. I would guess that he could owe a lot of money if he ever wants to get that paperwork in order to transfer the ownership! Sorry about his luck. Please do let us know how it works out. Either here or in the motorcycle sticky thread.

Bibbitybop, in order to have a [legit] license plate, you must first purchase insurance. Obviously if you have an old plate, then you'd be fine in that case.

-TDR-
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IlIlNine



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TDR wrote:
penguin

You friend is likely going to have a problem, as mentioned by the poster above me. I'll relate my own story:

I had insurance for my motorcycle and it was coming upon renewal time about one day before I was to go on vacation. I thought, "Why pay for insurance when I won't be here? I'll just renew it when I get back". I was on vacay for about four weeks and got around to renewing it about a week and a half after I got back. Turns out that they (the district office) had been billing me a small amount each day for the time where I wasn't insured. I was told that, in Korea, if a vehicle is registered in your name, you must have it insured. I tried to tell them that I was out of the country, showed them my passport, explained how I thought it worked (i.e. I wasn't riding it, why insure it?) but it was all to no avail. I had to pay 65K or so in fines in order to get my account squared up.

I don't know if there is a limit to the fine but I guess your friend should make some discrete enquiries. I would guess that he could owe a lot of money if he ever wants to get that paperwork in order to transfer the ownership! Sorry about his luck. Please do let us know how it works out. Either here or in the motorcycle sticky thread.

Bibbitybop, in order to have a [legit] license plate, you must first purchase insurance. Obviously if you have an old plate, then you'd be fine in that case.

-TDR-


Yep. They charge a small amount per day depending on how long it's lapsed. If the OP's friend wants to sell it legally or insure it again, he'll have to cough up a hefty fine.

I can understand a short while... but why would you ride a motorbike in Korea without insurance? Especially a big bike like that.. it's pretty dumb. If you're in any kind of accident, you're potentially looking at paying for all the costs for your health/damages and the other party's (even if it was their fault).

Get your paperwork straight people! If you can't afford the 150,000 or so and the 5 minutes on the phone to insure your bike for a YEAR, you probably shouldn't be riding.

Oh yeah, and insurance DOESN'T automatically renew like it does back home.
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Bibbitybop



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the clarification, guys.

On the subject of insurance, from what I know, there are no companies in Korea that will insure you for medical bills. Extra insurance companies have a clause about not riding a motorcycle, or if you do they won't cover your injuries in an accident.

This year, I'm contacting some travel insurance companies about this. I'll include the info if we do the podcast with BassExpander, and I'll post it in the motorcycle thread.
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TDR



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:
Thanks for the clarification, guys.

On the subject of insurance, from what I know, there are no companies in Korea that will insure you for medical bills. Extra insurance companies have a clause about not riding a motorcycle, or if you do they won't cover your injuries in an accident.

This year, I'm contacting some travel insurance companies about this. I'll include the info if we do the podcast with BassExpander, and I'll post it in the motorcycle thread.



After BassX's first podcast with the E.H. Jun, the AIG rep here in Korea, I sent her an email asking about personal injury coverage for motorcyclists.

In her email, she sent back this reply:

Quote:
As I know, Samsung Fire Insurance company provides coverage for own bodily injury of motorcycle drivers upto W15,000,000.

So purchase motorcycle insurance with Samsung adding own bodily injury payment.



I haven't tried to contact them yet as my current insurance is still valid but maybe you might want to start there, Bibbitybop, if you're looking for coverage. Let us know what you find!

-TDR-
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ladron



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TDR wrote:



Quote:
As I know, Samsung Fire Insurance company provides coverage for own bodily injury of motorcycle drivers upto W15,000,000.

So purchase motorcycle insurance with Samsung adding own bodily injury payment.



I haven't tried to contact them yet as my current insurance is still valid but maybe you might want to start there, Bibbitybop, if you're looking for coverage. Let us know what you find!

-TDR-


I have my bike insurance through Samsung, and I'm 99% positive I have personal injury insurance. In fact, for my most recent renewal, they offered me an increased payout for an increased premium.
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Bibbitybop



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TDR wrote:
Bibbitybop wrote:
Thanks for the clarification, guys.

On the subject of insurance, from what I know, there are no companies in Korea that will insure you for medical bills. Extra insurance companies have a clause about not riding a motorcycle, or if you do they won't cover your injuries in an accident.

This year, I'm contacting some travel insurance companies about this. I'll include the info if we do the podcast with BassExpander, and I'll post it in the motorcycle thread.



After BassX's first podcast with the E.H. Jun, the AIG rep here in Korea, I sent her an email asking about personal injury coverage for motorcyclists.

In her email, she sent back this reply:

Quote:
As I know, Samsung Fire Insurance company provides coverage for own bodily injury of motorcycle drivers upto W15,000,000.

So purchase motorcycle insurance with Samsung adding own bodily injury payment.



I haven't tried to contact them yet as my current insurance is still valid but maybe you might want to start there, Bibbitybop, if you're looking for coverage. Let us know what you find!

-TDR-


Really? Nice. I talked to insurance companies and got very different answers. I'll be checking it out.
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penguin



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getting back to the question...

We've found out from the Gu office (thanks to the help of the Seoul Global Center) that the fine is as follows:
up to 10 days without insurance: W 9,000
after that: W 1900/day
to a maximum of W 300,000

Not sure yet whether the insurance has to be back-paid.


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Bibbitybop



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

penguin wrote:
Getting back to the question...

We've found out from the Gu office (thanks to the help of the Seoul Global Center) that the fine is as follows:
up to 10 days without insurance: W 10,000
after that: W 1900/day
to a maximum of W 300,000

Not sure yet whether the insurance has to be back-paid.


I'm posting this in the motorcycle thread in off-topics. Thanks, penguin.
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penguin



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:
penguin wrote:
Getting back to the question...

We've found out from the Gu office (thanks to the help of the Seoul Global Center) that the fine is as follows:
up to 10 days without insurance: W 10,000
after that: W 1900/day
to a maximum of W 300,000

Not sure yet whether the insurance has to be back-paid.


I'm posting this in the motorcycle thread in off-topics. Thanks, penguin.


No problem. I'll update when I find out whether he has to pay the back insurance, too.

By the way, a slight edit - it's W 9000 for the first ten days.
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penguin



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We went to the Gu office and this is what happened:

Fine of W 300,000, but if you pay within 2 weeks, you get a 20% discount - so only 240,000.

Buy new insurance starting that day (no back-pay).

(I'll post this on the motorcycle thread, too.)
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