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m4l
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
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 Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:46 am Post subject: Why are korean women teachers petty little girls? |
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I'm working at a hagwan (probably part of the problem) and been in kroea about two years. I've noticed a similar trend among korean teachers.........they're whining babies, and will throw a foreign techer under the bus in two seconds.......ex. I actually do care about the job I do, and put alot of effort into it. I have 5 other korean women teachers I teach with, and apparantly one of them went to the admistration behind my back like a coward and told them I am "uncooperative." In our school, it isn't neccessary to talk to the koreans that much. We do our job, they do theirs. yet somehow, I'm uncooperative.
So the women from admin comes to me and says this. I ask her okay, "how am I uncooperative, and who said this so I can see if I can change something I'm doing." ......she says "I dont know, and I cant say who' .........So I say " I'm uncooperative, but u dont know how, and you cant tell me who said this because u dont want to make an issue? so whats the point of this conversation?"........ so she says "ummm I dont know, this is just what I heard." WTF?????
Any others out there have ridculous stories like this? |
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DaeguKid
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:26 am Post subject: |
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dont take it personal bro/sistah...we make more, they work more, or think they do. They go home and live with their mom and dad, you get an apartment. At times, I would hate me too.
Dont even get me going on K-dudes....uni, army, find a job, work their ass off, try to get laid in between it all, get a chick that will marry you, finally move out of mom and dads, still work hard 6 days a week, have your entire paycheck spent on your kids education...and along comes waygook guy, gets a decent pay, a free pad to live in, vacation, no military and is dating a rocket of a chick....these guys must hate us! I would...
Sorry to hear about your work troubles...if I were you, I would call them all out and ask that if any of them have a problem with you that they have the guts to talk to you first about it. Everyone except one of them will appreciate it and not feel like a fool...
good luck
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sarbonn
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
Location: Michigan
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| The female Korean teachers and I get along greatly where I work. Recently, we were having big problems getting paid. They had more information than I did (because everything communicated is in Korean) whereas I have the ability to be pretty forceful in making sure something gets done. We worked together. They kept me completely in the loop, and I went to bat for the rest of us. We all ended up getting paid properly. Had it worked any other way, it easily could have worked with one side playing into the boss's hands and working against the other. But we all made sure to look out for each other. There were a couple of times where I realized I could have gone solo and got just what I wanted (and much sooner), but I decided it would serve everyone better if everyone benefited at the same time. At least in this case, I don't have a tragic story to relay or a "I can't believe how crappy they treated me" story to share. |
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jinks
Joined: 27 Oct 2004
Location: Formerly: Lower North Island
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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| sarbonn wrote: |
| We all ended up getting paid properly. |
That's good to hear. Are you staying at the school? |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| If you're a guy and you can't control Korean females who are younger than you, you should go and get your spine checked. |
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toonchoon
Joined: 06 Feb 2009
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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i shared candy and chocolate, and compliments with my previous co-teachers and got nothing but smiles, compliments, chocolate and decent conversations back.
maybe you just need to learn to communicate better with them? |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| If you're a guy and you can't control Korean females who are younger than you, you should go and get your spine checked. |
Whatever. How in the hell is he going to control someone randomly making an unmerited complaint? With a time machine? |
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ESL Milk "Everyday
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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| toonchoon wrote: |
i shared candy and chocolate, and compliments with my previous co-teachers and got nothing but smiles, compliments, chocolate and decent conversations back.
maybe you just need to learn to communicate better with them? |
Or maybe these are two completely different situations?? |
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berrieh
Joined: 10 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| ESL Milk "Everyday wrote: |
| toonchoon wrote: |
i shared candy and chocolate, and compliments with my previous co-teachers and got nothing but smiles, compliments, chocolate and decent conversations back.
maybe you just need to learn to communicate better with them? |
Or maybe these are two completely different situations?? |
Haha, ESL Milk, your post made me think about something.
Here's what I figure (applies everywhere - not Korea specific)
--If you've been called difficult somewhere else, it's you.
--If you've never been called difficult anywhere else, it's them.
--If you've not worked enough places to know for sure (i.e. you're just out of college), split the difference.
I reserve the right to be wrong, but this has always been my theory. |
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Kenny Kimchee
Joined: 12 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| DaeguKid wrote: |
dont take it personal bro/sistah...we make more, they work more, or think they do. They go home and live with their mom and dad, you get an apartment. At times, I would hate me too.
Dont even get me going on K-dudes....uni, army, find a job, work their ass off, try to get laid in between it all, get a chick that will marry you, finally move out of mom and dads, still work hard 6 days a week, have your entire paycheck spent on your kids education...and along comes waygook guy, gets a decent pay, a free pad to live in, vacation, no military and is dating a rocket of a chick....these guys must hate us! I would...
Sorry to hear about your work troubles...if I were you, I would call them all out and ask that if any of them have a problem with you that they have the guts to talk to you first about it. Everyone except one of them will appreciate it and not feel like a fool...
good luck
DK |
+1. This is sound general advice for dealing with life around here. |
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Kenny Kimchee
Joined: 12 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| toonchoon wrote: |
| i shared candy and chocolate, and compliments with my previous co-teachers and got nothing but smiles, compliments, chocolate and decent conversations back. |
+1 to this, too. Buy some candy or fruit once a month; it goes a long way towards smoothing office relations. |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| DaeguKid wrote: |
dont take it personal bro/sistah...we make more, they work more, or think they do. They go home and live with their mom and dad, you get an apartment. At times, I would hate me too.
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How do you explain the pettiness of some middle-aged PS teachers then? They get paid a lot more than us. |
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sarbonn
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
Location: Michigan
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| jinks wrote: |
| sarbonn wrote: |
| We all ended up getting paid properly. |
That's good to hear. Are you staying at the school? |
I'm undecided at the moment. I'm pretty much just biding my time until I make that decision. Now that I have my pay, it takes off a bit of the stress. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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Women Are Women's Worst Workplace Enemy
Chosun Ilbo (September 19, 2006)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200609/200609190024.html
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| Most women think their enemy no. 1 in the workplace is other women, a straw poll suggests. The survey by job portal Career of 1,452 female office workers says 86.5 percent of them think women colleagues were their worst enemy. When asked why, 37.3 percent said other women bad-mouthed them behind their back. This was followed by women who had entrusted a female colleague with a secret that became public, with 22.5 percent. Some 19.8 percent felt antagonized by a female superior who entrusted important projects to male workers because she did not trust the women's ability, while 17.4 percent felt their woman boss ignored female staff.... |
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Goku
Joined: 10 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| berrieh wrote: |
| ESL Milk "Everyday wrote: |
| toonchoon wrote: |
i shared candy and chocolate, and compliments with my previous co-teachers and got nothing but smiles, compliments, chocolate and decent conversations back.
maybe you just need to learn to communicate better with them? |
Or maybe these are two completely different situations?? |
Haha, ESL Milk, your post made me think about something.
Here's what I figure (applies everywhere - not Korea specific)
--If you've been called difficult somewhere else, it's you.
--If you've never been called difficult anywhere else, it's them.
--If you've not worked enough places to know for sure (i.e. you're just out of college), split the difference.
I reserve the right to be wrong, but this has always been my theory. |
I like this,
This has a lot of weight in terms of how people get along with co-workers.
I've had problems and huge issues with co-workers in the past.
I've had about 4-5 jobs in my time in America. I had bad relationships with co-workers in the first 4. By the 5th I realized I was the problem. It wasn't my co-workers. I had no one to blame but myself.
My working experience has taught me, if anything, It's absolutely imperative (especially in Korea) to develop some sort of connection with everyone. Letting them know you are a man of principal and not to screw with you. It's hard, and almost impossible at times. It shouldn't have to be this way... but it will be... That's how people work and people are.
OP make sure you understand that it's in the context of being in a workplace. DO NOT, take the fact that it's a female Korean and think that's the factor that makes them "whinny backstabbers". To be blunt, in my own experience it's much worse in the American workplace by far. Of course, that is just my own personal account and I'm sure that all varies from person to person.
Still, it's just work co-workers that creates this issue. Whether it would have been in any other country or any other culture, male or female you might have the same treatment. I don't want to say it's you, but take some time to think about it. I never thought I could be the problem, but after working in 4 different places with all co-workers hating me, you see a pattern emerge. I've only recently in the past 2-3 years changed my professional life for the better. And when I came to Korea, the same rules apply. I haven't seen much of a difference, and if any, it's been better in Korea because they attribute things to "cultural difference". |
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