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Emeliu



Joined: 31 Mar 2009
Location: Korea, i'm OMW

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:20 am    Post subject: Career salary Reply with quote

Hello, I was wondering whats the highest salary one can expect in south korea (With a Bachelors in TESOL, and a Masters in TESOL)? Also, how much to university english professors make?

I expect to make a career out of it, probably teach for 3 to 4 years, then get a masters degree in TESOL. My fiance (a beautiful Korean woman whom I met in my university here in the states) is moving to South Korea and i'm about to finish my bachelors in TESOL. I hope its at all possible to get as much as say 50~60 million won a year before I hit 35 haha.
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:38 am    Post subject: Re: Career salary Reply with quote

Emeliu wrote:
Hello, I was wondering whats the highest salary one can expect in south korea (With a Bachelors in TESOL, and a Masters in TESOL)? Also, how much to university english professors make?

I expect to make a career out of it, probably teach for 3 to 4 years, then get a masters degree in TESOL. My fiance (a beautiful Korean woman whom I met in my university here in the states) is moving to South Korea and i'm about to finish my bachelors in TESOL. I hope its at all possible to get as much as say 50~60 million won a year before I hit 35 haha.


That figure had me laughing. So a soon to be graduate expects to make 50-60 million a year huh? Maybe if you marry that Korean and you do some privates. With an E-2 visa good luck.

Chances are you will get the usual salary everyone else makes....2.2-2.7ish. Just because you have a BA in TESOL means nothing to Koreans. There are people who have B.Eds, which are actual teaching degrees and they aren't making 50-60mil won a year within the Korean system on E-2s.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being overqualified comes easy and fast in Korea. Keeping the common "slave" people busy is more important than climbing up some corporate ladder.
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get to 50-60M doing illegal privates .....
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tob55



Joined: 29 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:03 pm    Post subject: Relative Reply with quote

Your expectations are way beyond reality here in Korea, but there are some things you must consider:

1. Your earnings here are going to look like crapola compared to what you "might" be able to earn in the States.

2. You are going to find that the range of salary is dependent on the type of position you are taking, i.e. some good, some bad, some really good, and some really bad.

3. You are in need of assistance from a service agency that is going to be honest with you. This is a hard one, because to most recruiting companies, you represent nothing more or less than cold, hard cash. I have been in Korea for going on 5 years now and heard more horror stories about slimy recruiting practices than I would like to think about.

4. You are going to find that the lifestyle here is much different than you are accustomed to in the States. This means that the money you earn could be more than enough, which in many cases it is, OR you will live from pay check to pay check like some people I have encountered in this country. It depends on your personal restraint in terms of money management and spending habits.

5. You will likely find that while the wages here pale in comparison to what you think you should be earning, however, you will be able to save money, and perhaps lots of money. I know some friends who put away the equivalent of $1,000 US dollars every month, and they still have enough money to do the things they want and have fun. On the other hand, I know some people who are broke consistently and always trying to borrow money. Again, that will depend on your personal money management.

Everything said, you have the wrong idea of coming if you think for more than a second that you would or even could expect to earn what you are thinking would be a good salary. Not trying to burst the balloon, but just giving you some facts as someone who knows from experience. Hope this helps. Very Happy
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Robot_Teacher



Joined: 18 Feb 2009
Location: Robotting Around the World

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I calculate 28 million take home if tax exempt in PS which is $20,000 at 1400 to the U$. This is 24,000,000 won for take home salary, 2 million pension, and 2 million 13th month bonus. This figure doesn't include rent and flight.

Like in the 1980's, pay for a bachelor degreed young professional (<5 years post college experience) is about US $20,000 a year with $40,000 being that proverbial benchmark as a goal to hit within 5 years of graduation. Of course, many far exceeded this very modest goal. The only real difference for us today is the cost of living is much more, most job markets are not so robust, and then we have this economic crisis looming like a dark cloud. Only a few minted degrees will be paid $40,000 or more. Maybe achieve high paying career through smart saving and investing while living and working modestly?

I majored in business and I too had hoped to be in the money. This low paying ESL job still beats the pants off of what is available at home. You're most likely not getting in a high paying job unless you're daddy or grandpa brought you into a situation, nepotism. I have several friends at home that are doing really well in this fashion.
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Emeliu



Joined: 31 Mar 2009
Location: Korea, i'm OMW

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@tob55: That sounds reasonable, I'm just afraid my fiance's dad isn't going to like my salary and make my fiance feel guilty haha, but what about college professors? with a masters degree? Anyone have any knowledge on that? and I plan to get an F-5 visa so I can do privates legally (I hope)
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xCustomx



Joined: 06 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Juregen wrote:
You can get to 50-60M doing illegal privates .....


If you're married to a Korean you should set up your own hagwon, study room, or something similar if you expect to pull 50-60 million a year. A buddy of mine is married to a Korean, has his own hagwon, and earns close to 30million a month (150 students x 200k/month). After paying all his teachers, I figure he's got to be profiting at least 10million a month.
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fishy



Joined: 24 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a few good places still around. All the language instructors at the uni where I work make 47 M+ a year. My friend just got his distance M.A. in EFL and he walked right into his job with a little help from his friends already here. It's nice work too with lots of autonomy. It seems to me that you would need a Ph.D. in English or linguistics to crack 50 though.
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John Henry



Joined: 24 Sep 2004

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yet to see an esl job in korea that is 5 mil a month. Can't even think of any that advertised at 4 really. If so, you are going to be a slave.

If you freelance privates you can do that tho.

Dude don't worry, I've yet to meet an esl guy here that was hurtin for money. Biggest problem is how to save enough while funding your vacation in Thailand and paying your stuff off back home at the same time.
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Henry wrote:
Yet to see an esl job in korea that is 5 mil a month. Can't even think of any that advertised at 4 really. If so, you are going to be a slave.

If you freelance privates you can do that tho.

Dude don't worry, I've yet to meet an esl guy here that was hurtin for money. Biggest problem is how to save enough while funding your vacation in Thailand and paying your stuff off back home at the same time.


Jobs that I interviewed for that paid the most money were non-ESL but still teaching. AP/TOEFL/SAT or just teaching at elite after school academies that have all English instruction in a variety of subjects.

This one AP job I interviewed for was min 3mil, max 10mil a month. It all depended on if the students loved you and brought more friends. Unfortunately, the idea of teaching AP courses for 12hrs a day didn't appeal to me. I like money, but I love my sanity and family more.
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dean_burrito



Joined: 12 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think with SMOE you would qualify for 2.8 million or 3.3 if you don't take their housing. I'm pretty sure but you can do a search for their payscale to be certain.
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tob55



Joined: 29 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:22 pm    Post subject: Answers Reply with quote

Emeliu wrote:

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but what about college professors? with a masters degree? Anyone have any knowledge on that? and I plan to get an F-5 visa so I can do privates legally (I hope)


Unfortunately, college professors are in a different quandary, because they are given more time off in most cases, but also tend to work on the low end of the pay scale, AND are practically never placed on the tenure list, because of their status of sojourn as a foreigner.

You can hook a college or university job, but take caution in applying for these positions as they can be the best or worst of the options depending on location and the institution. I have friends working at university that do quite well, and I also have friends who have been at universities that were hell on earth to work for. This one is really the luck of the draw. The people who stay at their university long-term do so for a reason, so those positions come along very seldom.

Your first step when you marry will be the F2, which you will be required to remain on for at least 2 calendar years before you are given the opportunity to apply for F5 (permanent residency) status. Virtually impossible to by-pass the process unless someone gets paid off, and we know that doesn't happen anywhere in the world, hehehe.

As for teaching privates, they are "illegal" in this country, and no advice will or should be given to encourage someone to do private tutoring. You can register with the Ministry of Education to do your own study room classes, but the MOE limits the amount of money you may charge per student. Sure people are making a bundle on privates, but most do not advertise the fact they are doing them.

Not much else to share in terms of what I can offer for advice, but you will have to come here and make your own way. It is possible. I believe Korea is a good place, and it has been good to me for the most part. My friends ask me when I am coming back to the States, and to be honest, I have as much of a home here as I would have there. I am married to a wonderful Korean woman, and we have a good life together. It is possible to make this place home if you want, but most people come here and are soon turned off for one reason or the other. Good luck, and I hope all works out for you. Smile
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Emeliu



Joined: 31 Mar 2009
Location: Korea, i'm OMW

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice, I'll do what I can haha! Thanks Tobu55 Smile
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KoreanAmbition



Joined: 03 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't see how you can have an F-Visa here and NOT make 50 million per year.

Seriously, no clue.
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