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eIn07912

Joined: 06 Dec 2008 Location: seoul
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:32 am Post subject: hmm, do i smell a double standard? |
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not in korea. no, never. that never goes on here...
..so the other day, we got a bit off topic in one of my classes, how it got started im not sure, but i asked my class and coteacher if they eat the local food or korean food when they travel. almost all, including the coteacher said they only eat korean food. well, i blasted them all for it. i said u can eat korean food any day of the year, part of traveling is to experience the culture, food, lifestyle, blah blah blah, we all know this speech.
that same evening myself, the same coteacher, and few other teachers were eating shabu-shabu at a local place. one of the older male korean teachers offered me soju. i politely declined saying that i dont like to drink during the week really. which is true, i dont. he kept offering over and over again through the night, so i finally just downed a shot so he'd leave me alone. that same coteacher who told me she only eats korean food when she travels turns to me and says "u r in korea, u should do korean thing.. when in rome..." i just starred at her. "ur kidding right" i asked. "what?" she said
i then proceeded to point out her hypocrisy. im a foreigner in korea, so i should eat and drink as koreans, if thats ur argument fair enough. but if ur korean, u shouldnt have to do the same thing when ur in a foreign country? "but we r korean" was her answer. as well as a number of the other teachers sitting around that understood the conversation. "so when U travel, its not 'when in rome' " i asked. "but we r korean" is all i got back.
so there u have it. stop the presses, its breaking news im sure. but apparently when anyone else comes to their country, we r supposed to do everything their way, but when they go anywhere they have the special privilege to continue to do things the korean way.
its reasons such as this (and that there r korean hotels abroad) that when i travel and see koreans, i avoid them at all cost. |
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Xuanzang

Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Sadang
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:39 am Post subject: |
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| They might as well have howled and said, "we are Klingons!" |
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blackjack

Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Location: anyang
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:46 am Post subject: |
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what the hell are you doing talking about that type of stuff in class? If they want to eat Korean food overseas then so be it.
Plus if you don't want to drink do what the locals do, click classes pretend to take a sip, and put it back down. |
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weatherman

Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: Korea
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:49 am Post subject: |
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Some other poster said this first, but forget who:
When in Rome, do the Romans,
When in Korea, do the Koreans.....
Simple isn't it?
Why didn't you ask for an explanation of why "but we are Koreans" gives them an exception? |
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Benicio
Joined: 25 May 2006 Location: Down South- where it's hot & wet
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:57 am Post subject: |
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eIn07912, you have just just described probably one the most irritatingly arrogant things about most Korean people- the hipocrisy of them insisting on a "When in Rome..." attitude for all non-Koreans here while at the same time believing it's perfectly fine to behave just like they are in Korea no matter where they are in the world.
I'm starting to believe that Koreans just don't really understand the concept of hypocrisy- how it is logically/morally wrong and totally undermines the integrity of a person.
Most Koreans believe that if something is a benefit to them, then it is good. It matters not that it is a total contradiction to what they have stated previously or profess to others as what is "right". They feel that contradicting yourself is good if it benefits you.
If you point out to them that they are contradictory and hypocritical, then they just get upset with you. They act as if you are wrong for "challenging" them.
The "we are Korean" is just their way of shutting you down. Translation: "We are Korean, so we are right in the way that we think and act. You are not Korean, so you would not understand. You should just stop talking now".
You totally blasted their whole reasoning with simple logic. This didn't matter to them at all because most Koreans do not value logic over personal benefit. To them, what benefits them is always the most logical.
Logic & integrity be damned!
Now, once you understand this, it's much easier to understand Koreans and deal with their contradictions. |
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eIn07912

Joined: 06 Dec 2008 Location: seoul
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| weatherman wrote: |
| Why didn't you ask for an explanation of why "but we are Koreans" gives them an exception? |
i thought the visual of me rolling my eyes and smacking my forehead in disbelief was enough for them to understand the total ignorance of their logic. perhaps i assumed too much... |
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eIn07912

Joined: 06 Dec 2008 Location: seoul
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:10 am Post subject: |
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| what the hell are you doing talking about that type of stuff in class? If they want to eat Korean food overseas then so be it. |
riiight, cause u stick to the book 100% of the time dont ya. a good teacher knows when its good to use the book and good to just have a conversation, especially say when we're teaching conversational english.
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| Plus if you don't want to drink do what the locals do, click classes pretend to take a sip, and put it back down |
im sure i would have then been verbally r@%*d for disrespecting the magical healing powers of the almighty soju. therefor disrespecting all korean peoples. im such a stupid foreigner. crazy waegook, when will we ever learn? haha |
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Leslie Cheswyck

Joined: 31 May 2003 Location: University of Western Chile
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:14 am Post subject: |
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| It's like when the coyote paints the tunnel and the road runner runs right through it. And then you try to chase after him and wham, you run into the wall. I mean, you got 'em. And they run right through your f*cking wall. |
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eIn07912

Joined: 06 Dec 2008 Location: seoul
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:17 am Post subject: |
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| Benicio wrote: |
eIn07912, you have just just described probably one the most irritatingly arrogant things about most Korean people- the hipocrisy of them insisting on a "When in Rome..." attitude for all non-Koreans here while at the same time believing it's perfectly fine to behave just like they are in Korea no matter where they are in the world.
I'm starting to believe that Koreans just don't really understand the concept of hypocrisy- how it is logically/morally wrong and totally undermines the integrity of a person.
Most Koreans believe that if something is a benefit to them, then it is good. It matters not that it is a total contradiction to what they have stated previously or profess to others as what is "right". They feel that contradicting yourself is good if it benefits you.
If you point out to them that they are contradictory and hypocritical, then they just get upset with you. They act as if you are wrong for "challenging" them.
The "we are Korean" is just their way of shutting you down. Translation: "We are Korean, so we are right in the way that we think and act. You are not Korean, so you would not understand. You should just stop talking now".
You totally blasted their whole reasoning with simple logic. This didn't matter to them at all because most Koreans do not value logic over personal benefit. To them, what benefits them is always the most logical.
Logic & integrity be damned!
Now, once you understand this, it's much easier to understand Koreans and deal with their contradictions. |
benicio, it is my goal to one day at least somewhat understand this. i guess its my own fault i cant. being a decedent of western logic, the logic that has created the most successful societies in human history clearly is now completely wrong and therefore impeding my ability to learn this new ideology.
but hypocrisy i can live with. lord knows it exists in america too. its the rampant sense of nationalism and ethnic superiority, which of course results in unequaled privilege (however undeserving it might be) that really gets under my skin. i will never understand how koreans that dont speak english can tell native english speakers how to teach english. |
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eIn07912

Joined: 06 Dec 2008 Location: seoul
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