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Hogwan boss showed up at my door....angry.
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Sir John Hawkins



Joined: 07 Nov 2008
Location: Ulsan, SK

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 7:25 pm    Post subject: Hogwan boss showed up at my door....angry. Reply with quote

I havent been feeling well this week, so I decided to used one of my sick days today. Obviously, those dont matter, because my director and her American husband showed up at my door threatening to take me to immigration and kicking me out of my apartment (they told me to pack my bags) We had about a 45 minute conversation about what it means to be sick and I should have to go to the doctor and come to work!

Anyway, this story has a past, some of you may know about it. MY question is, what are my rights in this situation? What can I do? I want to get another job around where I leave, what can I do to make that happen?
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losing_touch



Joined: 26 Jun 2008
Location: Ulsan - I think!

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are looking for another job in Ulsan, shoot me a PM. I know of a few openings in the future.
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Zantetsuken



Joined: 21 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always find it disturbing when I hear about waygooks who own hakwons act just as bad or worse than their sleazy Korean counterparts. You'd figure that they would be cool....
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zantetsuken wrote:
I always find it disturbing when I hear about waygooks who own hakwons act just as bad or worse than their sleazy Korean counterparts. You'd figure that they would be cool....


I am pretty sure the entire story isn't covered.
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3MB



Joined: 26 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zantetsuken wrote:
I always find it disturbing when I hear about waygooks who own hakwons act just as bad or worse than their sleazy Korean counterparts. You'd figure that they would be cool....


Why would they be cool? Because they are foreigners? There are morons all over the world.
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QbertP



Joined: 02 Feb 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your contract says you get sick days, then you get sick days.

On top of that, they can not kick you out of your apartment. Your boss does not have the power to evict you. They do not have the power to throw you out of the country.

If you are fired you will need to talk to the relevant authorities. Immigration, Labor, etc. Make sure that you get it in writing that you have been fired. Do not stop going to work until they put it in writing. Keep your paystubs, check for deductions for insurance and pension. These are not optional. No matter what your contract says.

Check out the sticky "How to legally hammer your hogwan boss into submission."

I'm no expert but there are many on the board who are. There are many posts about this kind of thing. Good luck.
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Sir John Hawkins



Joined: 07 Nov 2008
Location: Ulsan, SK

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the help guys. I didnt have time to go over the whole story. I will get my ducks in a row for the monday morning meeting we have. Any other tips will be helpful. Thanks all.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea, here is a tip, if you take a sick day, DON'T STAY AT HOME!!! Go to a cafe or somewhere and sit it out. You probably work in the afternoon, so if you are ready to go the next day, come back at night. Don't reply to any phone calls by them. When you come back home at night, send a text message with a brief "sick note" and say you are ready to go first thing tomorrow.

Don't open the door to confrontation or else they will arm wrestle you, and they will ALWAYS win in that case cause they are the owner. When they get get upset ask them what they want you to do in the future, and then agree to do it. It's either you go in the next day or they make it worse for themselves by going to immigration. It's obviously just a threat and a threat to control. Don't read too much into it.
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The difference lies in the concept of sick.

To Korean standards, being sick means you can't even get out of bed or you need to be hospitalized.

Next time, try to negotiate when you feel very bad, I am pretty sure a lot of people work even though they do not feel 100% ....
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Thunndarr



Joined: 30 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Juregen wrote:
The difference lies in the concept of sick.

To Korean standards, being sick means you can't even get out of bed or you need to be hospitalized.


It also means going to the Ear, Nose and Throat clinic every time you get the sniffles. Oh, and it also means going in to work with communicable diseases.
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samcheokguy



Joined: 02 Nov 2008
Location: Samcheok G-do

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I molest the female teachers and fake menningitis (spelling). I wasn't asked to come in for like a month!
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Jammer113



Joined: 13 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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MY question is, what are my rights in this situation?

Well, you mentioned the story has a past, and I don't know it, so I'm not going to judge you or the hagwon owner.. But right now, everyone is just blowing smoke. They can certainly kick you out of your apartment, after they've fired you, and then they owe you an extra full months pay for not giving 30 days notice. I might mention that to them if they threaten to fire you on the spot again. Right now, they haven't fired you. They haven't kicked you out. They're just making your life really, really stressful.

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What can I do?

You can do anything you want, provided it's not illegal. So far, you haven't broken your contract (I'm gathering). It's probably best if you keep not breaking your contract. It probably would have saved you a big headache if you went to the doctor today and had a note ready to hand them when they came to your house... but it's probably not required in your contract. It probably would have been better to try and help them find some sort of replacement for your classes, if that's possible. Sick people can still make phone calls. But maybe it wouldn't have been better.

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I want to get another job around where I leave, what can I do to make that happen?

I don't know all of the LOR stuff and all. If you want a new job, you need to cancel your visa. That's easiest done if you can convince your boss that they should cancel your visa via an LOR that lets you transfer over to a new job.

I really can't suggest you stay in the same area, however. Kids get word of this stuff, and then change hagwons and spread rumors... Hagwon owners talk to other hagwon owners... If it's a really bad situation, it might be best to move a bit away. Of course, that also depends on what you mean by 'area'.
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tenchu77491



Joined: 16 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was so sick once, I called in to work at Avalon. I told them I am not going to make it, I am sick. I hung up.

Director told an FT to call me and the FT asked me 'can you walk to work and then the school **** will drive you to the hospital?'

I replied, 'if I could walk to school I would work' and then I hung up.

Then they got the older FT to call me, 'can you walk to work the director really wants you to come so they can bring you to the hospital'

I replied 'if I stand up I am going to vomit, I am going back to sleep'

6 hours later the school ***** knocked on my door and I stumbled out of bed and opened the door. The guy spoke no english but he said something like asdiasdnasnda and motion with his car keys. Then he brought me to the hospital. The doc said I have a cold and gave a prescription. I went to the pharmacy with the dude. Went home with him.

No one ever complained about me being sick and no one ever spoke of it.

That's how I roll. Embarassed guess it just depends how you handled from the get go. I was stubborn but I was damn sick. I could have proved it too, if anyone came to my home any earlier I would have just vomited all over them.
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:40 am    Post subject: Re: Hogwan boss showed up at my door....angry. Reply with quote

Sir John Hawkins wrote:
I havent been feeling well this week, so I decided to used one of my sick days today. Obviously, those dont matter, because my director and her American husband showed up at my door threatening to take me to immigration and kicking me out of my apartment (they told me to pack my bags) We had about a 45 minute conversation about what it means to be sick and I should have to go to the doctor and come to work!

Anyway, this story has a past, some of you may know about it. MY question is, what are my rights in this situation? What can I do? I want to get another job around where I leave, what can I do to make that happen?


American husband? The Americans and Canadians who "own" hagwons are just as bad or even worse than the Korean scumbags who run crapwons. Rolling Eyes
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:00 am    Post subject: Re: Hogwan boss showed up at my door....angry. Reply with quote

wylies99 wrote:
American husband? The Americans and Canadians who "own" hagwons are just as bad or even worse than the Korean scumbags who run crapwons. Rolling Eyes

Either that, or it's the Korean wife who wears the pants in the family and he just goes along with her wonjangnimrod douchebaggery because he is completely whipped.
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