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mises
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 Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 6:42 am Post subject: Iraq To Execute Homosexuals Today |
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http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/04/iraq_to_execute_more_than_one.php
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More than 100 prisoners in Iraq are facing execution - and many of them are believed to have been convicted of the 'crime' of being gay, the UK-based Iraqi-LGBT group revealed this afternoon.
According to Ali Hili of Iraqi-LGBT, the Iraqi authorities plan to start executing them in batches of 20 from this week. There is, said Mr. Hili, at least one member of Iraqi-LGBT who are among those to be put to death.
And the London-based group, which believes that a total of 128 executions are imminent, is calling on the UK Government, international human rights groups and the United Nations Human Rights Commission in Geneva to intervene "with due speed" to prevent "this tragic miscarriage of justice" from going ahead. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 7:18 am Post subject: Re: Iraq To Execute Homosexuals Today |
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| mises wrote: |
http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/04/iraq_to_execute_more_than_one.php
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More than 100 prisoners in Iraq are facing execution - and many of them are believed to have been convicted of the 'crime' of being gay, the UK-based Iraqi-LGBT group revealed this afternoon.
According to Ali Hili of Iraqi-LGBT, the Iraqi authorities plan to start executing them in batches of 20 from this week. There is, said Mr. Hili, at least one member of Iraqi-LGBT who are among those to be put to death.
And the London-based group, which believes that a total of 128 executions are imminent, is calling on the UK Government, international human rights groups and the United Nations Human Rights Commission in Geneva to intervene "with due speed" to prevent "this tragic miscarriage of justice" from going ahead. |
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You generally don't hear of people executing homosexuals in that part of the world. They generally pretend it doesn't exist or turn a blind eye, and things are done behind closed doors. I believe in Lebanon, in the past, they would put people in prison, but in some parts of the Lebanon they have gay bars. Egypt arrested people and accused them falsely of being gay. It is so dumb to execute someone because you don't like their sexual orientation, and it's cruel and barbaric. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 9:31 am Post subject: Re: Iraq To Execute Homosexuals Today |
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| mises wrote: |
http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/04/iraq_to_execute_more_than_one.php
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More than 100 prisoners in Iraq are facing execution - and many of them are believed to have been convicted of the 'crime' of being gay, the UK-based Iraqi-LGBT group revealed this afternoon.
According to Ali Hili of Iraqi-LGBT, the Iraqi authorities plan to start executing them in batches of 20 from this week. There is, said Mr. Hili, at least one member of Iraqi-LGBT who are among those to be put to death.
And the London-based group, which believes that a total of 128 executions are imminent, is calling on the UK Government, international human rights groups and the United Nations Human Rights Commission in Geneva to intervene "with due speed" to prevent "this tragic miscarriage of justice" from going ahead. |
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Do we know if their crime is being gay or engaging in homosexual activity? |
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Bibbitybop
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| Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| Mission accomplished. |
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harlowethrombey
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| So this is why they dont have gay people in Iran. . . |
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BS.Dos.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| I thought the whole point of the war was to 'liberate' the Iraqi people from this kind of tyranny. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: Iraq To Execute Homosexuals Today |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/04/iraq_to_execute_more_than_one.php
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More than 100 prisoners in Iraq are facing execution - and many of them are believed to have been convicted of the 'crime' of being gay, the UK-based Iraqi-LGBT group revealed this afternoon.
According to Ali Hili of Iraqi-LGBT, the Iraqi authorities plan to start executing them in batches of 20 from this week. There is, said Mr. Hili, at least one member of Iraqi-LGBT who are among those to be put to death.
And the London-based group, which believes that a total of 128 executions are imminent, is calling on the UK Government, international human rights groups and the United Nations Human Rights Commission in Geneva to intervene "with due speed" to prevent "this tragic miscarriage of justice" from going ahead. |
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Do we know if their crime is being gay or engaging in homosexual activity? |
and it matters because why exactly? |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| and it matters because why exactly? |
Well, if you execute people for engaging in homosexual activity, you're at least giving homosexuals the option to save their lives by choosing not to engage in that activity. Whereas if you execute them for the crime of "being gay", you're basically punishing them for the unmanifested contents of their mind.
But I agree, either way, it indicates a pretty nasty sort of regime. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| BS.Dos. wrote: |
| I thought the whole point of the war was to 'liberate' the Iraqi people from this kind of tyranny. |
Iran has occupied Iraq at least as much as the U.S. has. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:02 am Post subject: Re: Iraq To Execute Homosexuals Today |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/04/iraq_to_execute_more_than_one.php
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More than 100 prisoners in Iraq are facing execution - and many of them are believed to have been convicted of the 'crime' of being gay, the UK-based Iraqi-LGBT group revealed this afternoon.
According to Ali Hili of Iraqi-LGBT, the Iraqi authorities plan to start executing them in batches of 20 from this week. There is, said Mr. Hili, at least one member of Iraqi-LGBT who are among those to be put to death.
And the London-based group, which believes that a total of 128 executions are imminent, is calling on the UK Government, international human rights groups and the United Nations Human Rights Commission in Geneva to intervene "with due speed" to prevent "this tragic miscarriage of justice" from going ahead. |
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Do we know if their crime is being gay or engaging in homosexual activity? |
and it matters because why exactly? |
Because one is what you do; the other is who you are.
There is a huge difference between legislating against one's behavior, and one's mere existence. |
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mistermasan
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ah...theocracies...the more you know about them, the more there is to hate.
true "democracies" should shun theocracies to change their ways. no more US aid for israel, pakistan, afghanistan, england/canada et al until they de-link religion from state. |
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yawarakaijin
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| Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:51 am Post subject: |
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ah...theocracies...the more you know about them, the more there is to hate.
true "democracies" should shun theocracies to change their ways. no more US aid for israel, pakistan, afghanistan, england/canada et al until they de-link religion from state. |
I am 99 percent certain this is a troll but on the remote possibility that you are not..... Canada and England are theocracies? They recieve aid from the US? Retarded? |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Canada and England are theocracies? They recieve aid from the US? Retarded? |
Well, both Canada and England have far less formal church/state separation than does the US. In Canada, you've got state-funded religious schools and whatnot, and in England of course they've got a state church.
One thing to consider, though, is that the general trend seems to be that the more FORMAL ties a country has between church/state, the more secular is the political culture. The Scandanavian countries, for example, have had state Lutheran churches for centuries, and yet have historically been the most liberal, secularized places in the world. It could be argued that, by making religion into just another branch of the bureaucracy, the government effectively co-opts and tames it. Whereas in the US, religion was allowed to roam free, and take on all sorts of firebrand permutations.
I went to state-run Catholic schools in Canada, and, as far as Catholic orthodoxy went, they were kind of a joke. We used to sit around religion class debating homosexuality, for example, with the teacher taking the pro-tolerance position. I'm guessing that things might be a bit different in places where the Catholic schools are private, and under more direct control of the church. (And granted, things might have been more liberal in the 80s. Not sure what Alberta Catholic schools are like now.) |
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Kuros
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| It could be argued that, by making religion into just another branch of the bureaucracy, the government effectively co-opts and tames it. Whereas in the US, religion was allowed to roam free, and take on all sorts of firebrand permutations. |
There's correlation there, not causation.
Religious institutions in the Old World have always been institutional in nature, whereas the very draw of the New World, particularly the United States, was the more direct connection of the individual to God.
But its not that the gov't in the Old World tamed religion, so much that religion in the Old World had already been smoldering from the previous flares of war and strife. That same war and strife attracted fringe religious groups, the Puritans just for starters, to the colonies and later the United States.
Also, the American Free Exercise doctrine was the deliberated, pre-meditated approach; the Old World's establishment of religion was largely, like so much in the Old World, a natural evolution beyond conscious design.
But, admittedly, American religion is characterized by more eccentricity than elsewhere. But I think there's no feasible way it could have been repressed, given the circumstances. |
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CentralCali
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| Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| yawarakaijin wrote: |
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ah...theocracies...the more you know about them, the more there is to hate.
true "democracies" should shun theocracies to change their ways. no more US aid for israel, pakistan, afghanistan, england/canada et al until they de-link religion from state. |
I am 99 percent certain this is a troll but on the remote possibility that you are not..... Canada and England are theocracies? They recieve aid from the US? Retarded? |
You know another country that's not a theocracy? Right. Israel's not. It's a parliamentary democracy. |
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