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Milwaukiedave



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 7:16 pm    Post subject: North Korea Fires Missle Reply with quote

Not a lot of information yet, but it looks like they went through with it.

NKorea launches rocket, defying world pressure

By JEAN H. LEE, Associated Press Writer Jean H. Lee, Associated Press Writer
8 mins ago

SEOUL, South Korea � North Korea defiantly carried out a provocative rocket launch Sunday that the U.S., Japan and other nations suspect was a cover for a test of its long-range missile technology.

Liftoff took place at 11:30 a.m. (0230GMT) Sunday from the coastal Musudan-ri launch pad in northeastern North Korea, the South Korean government said. In Washington, the State Department also confirmed the launch.

The rocket flew over Japan and landed in the Pacific Ocean, the Japanese broadcaster NHK said, citing its government.

"Our primary concern is to confirm safety and gather information," Japanese Prime Minister Taro Aso told a news conference at his Tokyo office Sunday.

Resisting calls from President Barack Obama, Aso and Hu Jintao of China to call off the launch, North Korea had announced Saturday that preparations were complete to send communications satellite Kwangmyongsong-2 on a multistage rocket bound for the skies over Japan.

Tokyo deployed warships and Patriot missile interceptors off its northern coast to shoot down any debris that the North said might fall over the area.

U.S. and South Korean warships equipped with missile interceptors also plied the waters between the Korean peninsula and Japan to monitor the launch.

Russia, meanwhile, scrambled fighter jets to its Far East in case any debris hits its territory, Russian news reports said.

North Korea pushed ahead with the launch despite mounting international pressure to cancel a liftoff Obama warned Friday would be a "provocative" act.

South Korea, the U.S. and Japan said earlier in the week they would take North Korea to the U.N. Security Council for an act they say is banned under a 2006 resolution barring Pyongyang from ballistic activity.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_nkorea_missile

Edit: From other reports this launch does look like a sucessful one.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/04/04/north.korea.rocket/index.html
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just curious where you heard it wasn't much of a success?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the thing. The North said it was a Satellite test, yet, the freaking thing crashed into the Pacific. How are they going to deny the fact that it really was a missle test now?

I don't get it.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cubanlord wrote:
Here's the thing. The North said it was a Satellite test, yet, the freaking thing crashed into the Pacific. How are they going to deny the fact that it really was a missle test now?

I don't get it.


The second stage crashed into the pacific.

If it was a satellite, the third booster would be high enough to float around and burn up on re-entry after deploying the satellite.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can understand Japan not being very happy.






http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=151141&start=30
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too bad it didn't get blown up on the launch site by Japan or another country.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

agoodmouse wrote:
Too bad it didn't get blown up on the launch site by Japan or another country.

Or shot down, but as I understand it the anti-ballistic missile capability on Aegis ships only works on the terminal (i.e., descent) phase of inbound ballistic weapons.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

they are really scary


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/05/world/asia/05korea.html?hp
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Huh Kyung-young wrote:
agoodmouse wrote:
Too bad it didn't get blown up on the launch site by Japan or another country.

Or shot down, but as I understand it the anti-ballistic missile capability on Aegis ships only works on the terminal (i.e., descent) phase of inbound ballistic weapons.


speaking of shooting missles down, wasn't there a recent article in the New York Times about the incapability of The United States to shoot down missles? Something like they have tried in the past and they are yet to successfully shoot one down (test missiles of course). I'll see if I can find the article.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cubanlord wrote:
Huh Kyung-young wrote:
agoodmouse wrote:
Too bad it didn't get blown up on the launch site by Japan or another country.

Or shot down, but as I understand it the anti-ballistic missile capability on Aegis ships only works on the terminal (i.e., descent) phase of inbound ballistic weapons.


speaking of shooting missles down, wasn't there a recent article in the New York Times about the incapability of The United States to shoot down missles? Something like they have tried in the past and they are yet to successfully shoot one down (test missiles of course). I'll see if I can find the article.


Probably because they've shot down three or four in the past two years.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrRogers wrote:
they are really scary


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/05/world/asia/05korea.html?hp




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the Japanese response has been unusually strong. Japan deployed ships into the Sea of Japan and suggested it would try to shoot down any �debris� from the launching that threatened to hit the country.



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here's more from AP:

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/04/05/world/AP-AS-NKorea-Missile.html

April 5, 2009
N. Korea Launches Rocket, Defying World Pressure
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 12:29 a.m. ET

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- North Korea defiantly carried out a provocative rocket launch Sunday that the U.S., Japan and other nations suspect was a cover for a test of its long-range missile technology.

Liftoff took place at 11:30 a.m. (0230GMT) Sunday from the coastal Musudan-ri launch pad in northeastern North Korea, the South Korean and U.S. governments said. The multistage rocket hurtled toward the Pacific, reaching Japanese airspace within seven minutes, but no debris appeared to hit its territory, officials in Tokyo said.

The U.N. Security Council approved an emergency session for Sunday afternoon in New York, following a request from Japan that came minutes after the launch.

The South Koreans called it ''reckless,'' the Americans ''provocative,'' and Japan said it strongly protested the launch.

The launch was a bold act of defiance against President Barack Obama, Japanese leader Taro Aso, Hu Jintao of China and others who pressed Pyongyang in the days leading up to liftoff to call off a launch they said would threaten peace and stability in Northeast Asia.

South Korea's presidential Blue House said the launch poses a ''serious threat'' to stability on the Korean peninsula and that it would respond to the provocation ''sternly and resolutely.'' President Lee Myung-bak ordered the military to remain on alert, the Blue House said.

''We cannot contain our disappointment and regret over North Korea's reckless act,'' presidential spokesman Lee Dong-kwan told reporters Sunday. He said the launch of the long-range rocket ''poses a serious threat to security on the Korean peninsula and the world.''

North Korea claims its aim is to send an experimental communications satellite into orbit in a peaceful bid to develop its space program.

The U.S., South Korea, Japan and others suspect the launch is a guise for testing the regime's long-range missile technology -- one step toward eventually mounting a nuclear weapon on a missile capable of reaching Alaska and beyond.

They contend the launch violates a 2006 resolution barring the regime from ballistic missile activity.

Obama said Friday the launch would be a ''provocative'' move with consequences. State Department spokesman Fred Lash said late Saturday in Washington that the U.S. will ''take appropriate steps to let North Korea know that it cannot threaten the safety and security of other countries with impunity.''

He called the launch a clear violation of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1718, adopted five days after North Korea carried out a nuclear weapons test in 2006.

Japan's U.N. mission has asked for a meeting of the 15-nation council Sunday, spokesman Yutaka Arima said. Mexico's mission to the United Nations set the meeting for 3 p.m. EDT (1900 GMT), spokesman Marco Morales said. Mexico holds the 15-nation council's presidency this month.

U.N. diplomats already have begun discussing ways to affirm existing sanctions on North Korea against its nuclear program and long-range missile tests.

In Japan, chief Cabinet spokesman Takeo Kawamura said it was not immediately clear if the rocket was mounted with a satellite as North Korea has claimed.

North Korea calls its ''space launch vehicle'' Unha-2, but the rocket is better known to the outside world as the Taepodong-2, a long-range missile that can be mounted with a satellite or nuclear armament.

''Even if a satellite was launched, we see this as a ballistic missile test and we think this matter should be taken to the United Nations Security Council,'' Kawamura said. ''We are highly concerned by this matter.''

''We strongly protest this launch,'' he said.

The first stage of the rocket dropped about 175 miles (280 kilometers) off the western coast of Akita into the waters between Japan and the Korean peninsula. The second stage was to land in the Pacific at a spot about 790 miles (1,270 kilometers) off Japan's northeastern coast, a Defense Ministry spokeswoman said in Tokyo.

Japan said it would convene a security panel meeting later in the day to discuss what further measures can be taken. Kawamura said Japan would work closely with Washington and with the U.N.

''Our primary concern is to confirm safety and gather information,'' Aso told a news conference at his Tokyo office Sunday.

North Korea shocked Japan in 1998 when it launched a missile over Japan's main island. Japan has since spent billions of dollars on developing a missile shield with the United States and has launched a series of spy satellites primarily to watch developments in North Korea.

Japan had threatened to shoot down any debris from the rocket if the launch went wrong, and positioned batteries of interceptor missiles on its coast and radar-equipped ships off its northern seas to monitor the launch.

No attempt at interception was made since no debris fell onto its territory, a ministry spokeswoman said, speaking on condition of anonymity, citing department rules.------

Associated Press writers Hyung-jin Kim and Jae-soon Chang in Seoul, Eric Talmadge in Tokyo, Pete Yost in Washington and John Heilprin at the United Nations contributed to this report.
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SEOUL, South Korea � North Korea defied the United States, China and a series of United Nations resolutions by launching a rocket on Sunday that the country said was designed to propel a satellite into space, but that much of the world viewed as an effort to prove it is edging toward the capability to shoot a nuclear warhead on a longer-range missile.

North Korea launched the rocket at 11:30 a.m. local time, or 10:30 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time, said the office of the South Korean president, Lee Myung-bak. Early reports from the Japanese prime minister�s office indicated that the three-stage rocket appeared to launch successfully, with the first stage falling into the Sea of Japan and the second stage into the Pacific. South Korea vowed a �stern and resolute� response to the North�s �reckless act.�

South Korean officials, after studying the rocket�s trajectory, said it appeared to have been configured to thrust a satellite into orbit, as the North had claimed.

No debris was reported to have fallen on Japanese land. There has been no confirmation of whether the third and final stage of the launching took place.

But what may have mattered most to North Korea was simply demonstrating that it had the ability to launch a multistage rocket that could travel thousands of miles.

The motivation for the test appeared as much political as technological: After acquiring the fuel for six or more nuclear weapons during the Bush administration, and negotiating a halt of its main nuclear reactor in return for aid, North Korea�s recent statements appear to be a bid for attention from the Obama administration.

The Japanese government strongly protested the launching over its territory and asked for an emergency meeting of the United Nations Security Council.

Lee Dong-kwan, a spokesman for the South Korean president, said, �North Korea�s launch of its long-range rocket poses a serious threat to the stability of the Korean Peninsula and the rest of the world at a time when the entire world is pulling its wisdom together to overcome the global economic crisis.�

Over the years the North has sometimes conducted tests as a gambit to extract concessions for more aid and fuel and to demonstrate its nuclear capabilities.

Manufacturing a nuclear warhead that is small enough, light enough and heat-resistant enough to be mounted atop a missile is far more complex than building a basic nuclear device � and intelligence officials and outside experts believe North Korea is still years from that accomplishment. Typically, it takes many years of experimentation for a nation to learn how to shrink an ungainly test device into a slim warhead.

Nonetheless, the series of tests in recent years � in 2006 and 1998 � is prompting fears of North Korean proliferation among Japanese, Chinese and Western leaders. North Korea�s missiles have ranked among its few profitable exports � Iran, Syria and Pakistan have all been among its major customers. If this long-range test ends up a success, it would presumably make the design far more attractive on the international black market.

The launching provides one of the first tests of Mr. Obama�s reaction to a provocation, on the weekend that he is scheduled to lay out for the first time, in a speech in Prague, his strategy to counter proliferation threats.

Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates has ruled out any effort to shoot down the missile if the mission appeared to be a serious effort to launch a satellite. Rather, Mr. Obama�s top aides said during last week�s Group of 20 summit meeting in London that if the missile were launched, they would seek additional sanctions against the country in the United Nations Security Council, perhaps as early as this weekend.

President Bush pressed for similar sanctions after the North�s nuclear test in October 2006, but those sanctions had little long-term effect.

�We have made very clear to the North Koreans that their missile launch is provocative,� Mr. Obama said Friday after meeting with President Nicolas Sarkozy of France in Strasbourg, France. Mr. Obama took the issue up on Wednesday in London with President Hu Jintao of China.

While Washington has signaled calm, the Japanese response has been unusually strong. Japan deployed ships into the Sea of Japan and suggested it would try to shoot down any �debris� from the launching that threatened to hit the country. However, there is no evidence they tried to do so, and on Saturday, to the embarassment of the Japanese military, the country falsely reported twice that the missile had been launched.

With the North Korean leader, Kim Jong-il, reportedly recovering from a stroke last summer, the missile test may also be an effort by him � or some in the military � to demonstrate that someone is firmly in control and that the country�s missile and nuclear programs are forging ahead. In recent times top American intelligence officials have told Congress they believe Mr. Kim is back in charge of the country, but they admit considerable mystery surrounds the question of whether he has regained all of his faculties.

Stephen W. Bosworth, Mr. Obama�s special envoy on North Korea, told reporters that while the United States would seek to punish the North for the test, it was also prepared to resume six-nation talks with North Korea to persuade it to give up its nuclear weapons program. �We must deal with North Korea as we find it, not as we would like it to be,� Mr. Bosworth said.

But President Lee, too, emphasized that the six-party talks should resume.

North Korea tried and failed to loft satellites in 1998 and again in 2006.

Western aerospace experts said the new North Korean rocket appeared to be fairly large � much bigger than the one Iran fired in February to launch a small satellite, and about the same size as China launched in 1970 in its space debut.

David C. Wright, a senior scientist at the Union of Concerned Scientists, a private group in Cambridge, Mass., said the North Korean rocket might be able to lift a small satellite of 220 pounds into an orbit some 250 miles high. If used as a ballistic missile, he added, the rocket might throw a warhead of 2,200 pounds to a distance of some 3,700 miles � far enough to hit parts of Alaska.

Western analysts agree that North Korea�s missile launching is a military endeavor, despite its payload of an experimental communications satellite and its cocoon of North Korean propaganda. Starting with Sputnik in 1957, most of the world�s intercontinental ballistic missiles began life as satellite launchers.

Dennis C. Blair, the director of national intelligence, told reporters in March that �North Korea is attempting to demonstrate an ICBM capability through a space launch.�

While many analysts have looked at the launching through a military lens, some say another perspective involves political rivalries on the Korean peninsula. For years, South Korea has been gearing up to fire a satellite into orbit and join the space club. Its spaceport of Oinarodo is nearly ready, but a launching scheduled for this month was delayed, giving North Korea an opening.

They�re racing to beat the South Koreans,� said Tim Brown, a senior fellow at GlobalSecurity.org, a private group in Alexandria, Va.


Interesting article.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:43 pm    Post subject: Re: North Korea Fires Missle Reply with quote

Milwaukiedave wrote:


South Korea, the U.S. and Japan said earlier in the week they would take North Korea to the U.N. Security Council for an act they say is banned under a 2006 resolution barring Pyongyang from ballistic activity.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_nkorea_missile

do countries still take the UN seriously??

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