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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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 Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:09 pm Post subject: N. Korea's planned launch violates U.N. resolution |
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SEOUL (Reuters) � North Korea's planned rocket launch in the next week would violate U.N. resolutions even if the secretive state tried to put a satellite into space, officials in South Korea and Japan said on Wednesday.
The missile North Korea could launch as soon as this weekend appears to have a bulb-shaped tip that gives credence to Pyongyang's claim it plans to put a satellite in space, U.S. defense officials said on Tuesday.
The United States, Japan and South Korea see the launch as a disguised military test because the rocket being used is a long-range missile called the Taepodong-2, which is designed to carry a warhead as far as Alaska.
"Whether it is a satellite or a missile, it is still a violation of U.N. sanctions," a South Korea Foreign Ministry official said.
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| "We consider this would be a breach of the resolution and thus of international law," said Takeshi Akamatsu, assistant press secretary at Japan's Ministry of Foreign Affairs.[b] |
this coming from a Japanese ! 
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: N. Korea's planned launch violates U.N. resolution |
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this coming from a Japanese !
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Gone native? |
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3MB
Joined: 26 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| The Japanese have the right to defend themselves although they probably wont shoot it down. Who knows. Sanctions wont have much effect because how much more can you mess up a non-existent economy anyway? Russia and China wont play ball and as a result nothing with real damage will be done. NK will continue to flaunt the rules and they will get away with it. What recourse is there anyway? Either a total blockade which is impossible without China or Russia or a pre-emptive strike on North Korea with the sole purpose of taking out NK as a state. But both are big steps nobody is willing to take. Why should NK follow rules when there are no real sticks to punish them with? |
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TECO
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| What recourse is there anyway? Either a total blockade which is impossible without China or Russia or a pre-emptive strike on North Korea with the sole purpose of taking out NK as a state. But both are big steps nobody is willing to take. |
That's the way I see it too. If they do try to strike, tens of millions of people are likely to be obliterated in S. Korea and Japan. Missiles are targeted on Seoul and Tokyo. |
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3MB
Joined: 26 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| What recourse is there anyway? Either a total blockade which is impossible without China or Russia or a pre-emptive strike on North Korea with the sole purpose of taking out NK as a state. But both are big steps nobody is willing to take. |
That's the way I see it too. If they do try to strike, tens of millions of people are likely to be obliterated in S. Korea and Japan. Missiles are targeted on Seoul and Tokyo. |
I think the US and SK have the capability, along with Japan, to hit NK hard, fast and to largely neutralize their offensive ability so as to bring that number way down. The largest estimates Ive seen are at about 1 million, not tens of millions. I doubt it would be even close to that though. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:34 am Post subject: |
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| 3MB wrote: |
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| What recourse is there anyway? Either a total blockade which is impossible without China or Russia or a pre-emptive strike on North Korea with the sole purpose of taking out NK as a state. But both are big steps nobody is willing to take. |
That's the way I see it too. If they do try to strike, tens of millions of people are likely to be obliterated in S. Korea and Japan. Missiles are targeted on Seoul and Tokyo. |
I think the US and SK have the capability, along with Japan, to hit NK hard, fast and to largely neutralize their offensive ability so as to bring that number way down. The largest estimates Ive seen are at about 1 million, not tens of millions. I doubt it would be even close to that though. |
still there would be serious damage and pretty much cripple this economy
curfews would be in effect like back in the 70's everything would close down and Im sure every foreigner and his dog would be heading south to get on ferries to japan to get back home... |
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Neil
Joined: 02 Jan 2004
Location: Tokyo
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I do wonder if after the Korean war any thought was given to relocating the capital further south?
The only real threat from NK is that Seoul is so close to the DMZ and the missles could take a lot of it out.
If the capital (and home of about a 1/3rd of the population) was say Busan, I reckon they could ignore NK or even take them out. I doubt NK missles and tanks would have the fuel to make it that far.
Maybe putting their major international airport so close to the DMZ wasn't the best idea ever too. |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:36 am Post subject: |
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| Neil wrote: |
I do wonder if after the Korean war any thought was given to relocating the capital further south?
The only real threat from NK is that Seoul is so close to the DMZ and the missles could take a lot of it out.
If the capital (and home of about a 1/3rd of the population) was say Busan, I reckon they could ignore NK or even take them out. I doubt NK missles and tanks would have the fuel to make it that far.
Maybe putting their major international airport so close to the DMZ wasn't the best idea ever too. |
Incorrect. North Korea's missiles are able to reach any targets in South Korea or Japan, and surrounding areas. |
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3MB
Joined: 26 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
| 3MB wrote: |
| TECO wrote: |
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| What recourse is there anyway? Either a total blockade which is impossible without China or Russia or a pre-emptive strike on North Korea with the sole purpose of taking out NK as a state. But both are big steps nobody is willing to take. |
That's the way I see it too. If they do try to strike, tens of millions of people are likely to be obliterated in S. Korea and Japan. Missiles are targeted on Seoul and Tokyo. |
I think the US and SK have the capability, along with Japan, to hit NK hard, fast and to largely neutralize their offensive ability so as to bring that number way down. The largest estimates Ive seen are at about 1 million, not tens of millions. I doubt it would be even close to that though. |
still there would be serious damage and pretty much cripple this economy
curfews would be in effect like back in the 70's everything would close down and Im sure every foreigner and his dog would be heading south to get on ferries to japan to get back home... |
There would be damage but I really dont see the NK army lasting more than a week except for some independent units conducting guerrila warfare. Sea and air superiority would be total. The thing to worry about is the artillery, and pretty much only the artillery. The rest of the "army" is underfed, undertrained, poorly equipped and would grind to a halt on its own with a week or two based on their inability to resupply. Most of the damage the norks could inflict would happen within the first 12 hours, thats why the first priority would be to hit them hard and fast at their point of strength - the artillery. Realistically, how many salvos could they get off without having any given piece of artillery taken out? I dont think shelling of Seoul would last very long. After that, they would be done. Thats why its probably crucial for SK and the US to make the first move and just take them out.
The missiles are a worry but I think they can be taken down. The US and SK do have interceptors. But again, the threat from missiles would be something to worry about within the first few hours before they are either shot down or taken out before being launched. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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There would be damage but I really dont see the NK army lasting more than a week except for some independent units conducting guerrila warfare. Sea and air superiority would be total. The thing to worry about is the artillery, and pretty much only the artillery. The rest of the "army" is underfed, undertrained, poorly equipped and would grind to a halt on its own with a week or two based on their inability to resupply. Most of the damage the norks could inflict would happen within the first 12 hours, thats why the first priority would be to hit them hard and fast at their point of strength - the artillery. Realistically, how many salvos could they get off without having any given piece of artillery taken out? I dont think shelling of Seoul would last very long. After that, they would be done. Thats why its probably crucial for SK and the US to make the first move and just take them out.
The missiles are a worry but I think they can be taken down. The US and SK do have interceptors. But again, the threat from missiles would be something to worry about within the first few hours before they are either shot down or taken out before being launched. |
Agreed. Missles are not a worry for me living in Seoul, it's the artillary that will do the most damage... but that is dependant on the warhead. If they choose to launch a nuclear weapon, well, that'd be the end of Dave's ESL and this whole debate.  |
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samcheokguy
Joined: 02 Nov 2008
Location: Samcheok G-do
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| I thought daves was hosted in the US, so it would survive the nuke. |
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3MB
Joined: 26 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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There would be damage but I really dont see the NK army lasting more than a week except for some independent units conducting guerrila warfare. Sea and air superiority would be total. The thing to worry about is the artillery, and pretty much only the artillery. The rest of the "army" is underfed, undertrained, poorly equipped and would grind to a halt on its own with a week or two based on their inability to resupply. Most of the damage the norks could inflict would happen within the first 12 hours, thats why the first priority would be to hit them hard and fast at their point of strength - the artillery. Realistically, how many salvos could they get off without having any given piece of artillery taken out? I dont think shelling of Seoul would last very long. After that, they would be done. Thats why its probably crucial for SK and the US to make the first move and just take them out.
The missiles are a worry but I think they can be taken down. The US and SK do have interceptors. But again, the threat from missiles would be something to worry about within the first few hours before they are either shot down or taken out before being launched. |
Agreed. Missles are not a worry for me living in Seoul, it's the artillary that will do the most damage... but that is dependant on the warhead. If they choose to launch a nuclear weapon, well, that'd be the end of Dave's ESL and this whole debate. |
The one they tested was a rather small one in terms of power. Do you think they have the technology to miniaturize a larger, more powerful bomb and fit it on a missile? |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not worried about the artillery. I'm more worried about the biological attack! some NKagent living in Seoul releases that gas into the air! or something into the water supply.. and its good night! |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| time to overseas contingency operate their *beep* |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| 3MB wrote: |
| itaewonguy wrote: |
| 3MB wrote: |
| TECO wrote: |
| 3MB wrote: |
| What recourse is there anyway? Either a total blockade which is impossible without China or Russia or a pre-emptive strike on North Korea with the sole purpose of taking out NK as a state. But both are big steps nobody is willing to take. |
That's the way I see it too. If they do try to strike, tens of millions of people are likely to be obliterated in S. Korea and Japan. Missiles are targeted on Seoul and Tokyo. |
I think the US and SK have the capability, along with Japan, to hit NK hard, fast and to largely neutralize their offensive ability so as to bring that number way down. The largest estimates Ive seen are at about 1 million, not tens of millions. I doubt it would be even close to that though. |
still there would be serious damage and pretty much cripple this economy
curfews would be in effect like back in the 70's everything would close down and Im sure every foreigner and his dog would be heading south to get on ferries to japan to get back home... |
There would be damage but I really dont see the NK army lasting more than a week except for some independent units conducting guerrila warfare. Sea and air superiority would be total. The thing to worry about is the artillery, and pretty much only the artillery. The rest of the "army" is underfed, undertrained, poorly equipped and would grind to a halt on its own with a week or two based on their inability to resupply. Most of the damage the norks could inflict would happen within the first 12 hours, thats why the first priority would be to hit them hard and fast at their point of strength - the artillery. Realistically, how many salvos could they get off without having any given piece of artillery taken out? I dont think shelling of Seoul would last very long. After that, they would be done. Thats why its probably crucial for SK and the US to make the first move and just take them out.
The missiles are a worry but I think they can be taken down. The US and SK do have interceptors. But again, the threat from missiles would be something to worry about within the first few hours before they are either shot down or taken out before being launched. |
Unless China and Russia were in agreement about a first strike, the political ramifications of (what they would see as) an unprovoked first strike by the United States in North Korea would make such an action far too dangerous. |
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